The Newest Batch of Toriyama Tidbits...

[sintzu]

It's similar to Gohan's mystic form where transforming into a ssj would do nothing for him.

Not really cause gohan can only use one of them while goku can use both the god powers and ssj so if he can boost his god powers by 50× with ssj why not 100× with ssj2 ?

[Cetra]

It's similar to Gohan's mystic form where transforming into a ssj would do nothing for him.

Not really cause gohan can only use one of them while goku can use both the god powers and ssj so if he can boost his god powers by 50× with ssj why not 100× with ssj2 ?

For the same reason Kaioken was never stacked on SSJ outside of the anime. It would be boring to use the same stuff again and again or was forgotten (yes, fans say something about the strain left by the Kaioken but that was never an official reason).

[Birusu16]

It's similar to Gohan's mystic form where transforming into a ssj would do nothing for him.

Not really cause gohan can only use one of them while goku can use both the god powers and ssj so if he can boost his god powers by 50× with ssj why not 100× with ssj2 ?

You don't understand. Transforming does NOTHING for Goku. This was displayed in BoGs where even after transforming into a ssj he didn't receive any kind of boost. Had he received a 50x boost on top of the god power he had then he'd of stomped Beerus, which did not happen. The power does not stack.

Those transformations do nothing for him.

[Mr.Judge]

What was wrong with Buu just being a freak accident created by a powerful magical wizard ?

What was wrong with vegeta being an only child ?
What was wrong with kaio-sama's planet just being small ?
What was wrong with anger and hatred being the kyes to get a ssj level ?
What was wrong with all saiyns being evil with goku as the out cast ?
what was wrong with bardock being a cold hearted saiyan who didn't care about his child ?
What was wrong with goku being sent to earth to destroy it ?
What was wrong with goku getting his good nature from grandpa gohan ?
What was wrong with the elder kaioshin being sealed away by a no-body ?

Any thing else ?

"someone get this man as far away from the franchise as possible".

I'm sure all of us will be saying that when the other Q and A's come out

I actually Liked the points you mentioned.

Toriyama has no reason to keep on changing so much of character's Background. rather than introducing new inconsistencies , he should create/pen/draw a new parallel/alternate DB with various history.

Earlier DB, Goku's beginning and Bardock behavior was something which was absolutely polar opposite of Superman and his origins.
But Now Toriyama has now made Goku's Beginning into Superman story.

Why Super saiyan god first created?
So he could let only Good saiyans live.

But after the latest Jaco Special
Saiyans are good and care for their families and babies ?


Akira Toriyama apparently likes creating paradox.

I think Akira Toriyama should employ an assistant/PR person who keeps a Tab what he says in interviews. it causes too much inconsistencies.
I am of the opinion that Toriyama should scrap this new idea of useless and epic fail of a form,Super Saiyan god who could not even tank Beerus attack but had to absorb it at the last moment, very un-Goku like.
Even in appearance, fake super saiyan of movies and Kaio ken Goku looks better than Saiyan god form.
BOG was good only for introducing the concept of God of Destruction.

Akira is turning DB into 'But Whatever'/'Who cares' for some longtime fans

[sintzu]

Transforming does NOTHING for Goku. This was displayed in BoGs where even after transforming into a ssj he didn't receive any kind of boost. Had he received a 50x boost on top of the god power he had then he'd of stomped Beerus, which did not happen. The power does not stack.

Then why did he have him transform ?

EDIT :

Never mind the whole thing dosen't make sense no matter what i or anyone else says there's something that will contredict it so i'm going to stop talking about the subject.

[Birusu16]

Transforming does NOTHING for Goku. This was displayed in BoGs where even after transforming into a ssj he didn't receive any kind of boost. Had he received a 50x boost on top of the god power he had then he'd of stomped Beerus, which did not happen. The power does not stack.

Then why did he have him transform ?

Probably to make the fight more appealing. The facts are that had the ssj multiplier stacked on top of his god powers then Goku would've stomped Beerus or at the very least made him use his full power. That didn't come anywhere close to happening, which makes it clear that those forms don't do anything for him power wise.

[Low Tone G]

Maaaan!

Some of you make some assumptions for all of known super saiyans, like they tare exactly the same cases. But not, they are not the same. Especially Goku and Gohan are not the same like others. Toriyama has spoken only about Goku, and not Gohan ot Vegeta, or other SSJs.

All that Toriyama says that Goku discovered he is able to master his normal form and SSJ more efficient AFTER he had a good fight with Beerus, and has absorbed the Godly power into him. He did not said that all the Super Saiyans better master their base forms because they certainly become stronger than their highest SSJ levels selves.

For me it's pretty obvious that Goku has discovered that he can evolve himself better not going SSJ2 and SSJ3, because in his personal case these forms do not give any boosts, because he is the same powerful God being in his base or SSJ or SSJ2 or even SSJ3, morever the SSJ2(yeah if Toriyama assumes it takes, then it does even if we assumed before that it was the most stable form, but is no longer, just because means a higher awarenes to sustain it) and 3 take more energy from him than lower forms.

So in Goku's case SSJ2 and 3 have disadvantages in that sense he can not fight as long like he did in base and SSJ.

[sintzu]

Probably to make the fight more appealing.

Good to know that the legendary super saiyan has went from giving the user legendary power to giving him a better look.

[The Monkey King]

Interviewer: Toriyama-Sensei did you read your manga and the supplementary information you had already given before agreeing to this Q&A?

Toriyama:

Spoiler:

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

You don't understand. Transforming does NOTHING for Goku. This was displayed in BoGs where even after transforming into a ssj he didn't receive any kind of boost. Had he received a 50x boost on top of the god power he had then he'd of stomped Beerus, which did not happen. The power does not stack.
Those transformations do nothing for him.

As I speculate, they only boost his Ki reserves and his durability, speed and amplify his energy based attacks but they don't make him physically stronger after SSJ as SSJ itself is the boost on is body. If explained this way I can see a lot of potential in SSJGod, it would be like Kaioken with no recoil but a physical buff. Which is what he needs, someday I want to see Goku match Superman in lifting power without boosts. According to the moviw Goku can now draw from the God elements for boosting himself instead of having to stack on now.

TBH the smartest question asked was probably his plan on caping SSJ levels, now he can organize with the canon kill the meme of SSJ 5 - 1000 and just have 3 be the limit while other abilities are created to make them stronger, kind of like Naruto has it.

For the same reason Kaioken was never stacked on SSJ outside of the anime. It would be boring to use the same stuff again and again or was forgotten (yes, fans say something about the strain left by the Kaioken but that was never an official reason).

I dunno, I think Super Kaioken could have been an interesting tool, though not for spamming reasons but as a resource. Then again people could complain about why he doesnt one-shot everything with it right away... but I would like to see Kaioken + SSJGod.

[Michelle91]

Some people are surprise that Beerus would be so old. He's a good of destruction, I would imagine he was born during the start of time. I believe Beerus started off weak then he grown stronger over time. When he first fought Elder Kaioshin, he was likely much weaker then Buu and didn't get any training from Whis.

Earlier DB, Goku's beginning and Bardock behavior was something which was absolutely polar opposite of Superman and his origins.
But Now Toriyama has now made Goku's Beginning into Superman story.

Goku was always view as the anime counterpart of Superman long before DB- came out. Both were sent to a Planet before their home world was destroy, both their fathers try to warn the destruction of the Planet and no one listen, both were adopted as a baby on Earth and didn't know that they were aliens until they got older.

[hulkty]

That's stupid... SSj2 and 3 will stick around for sure.
The best part for me was 17 and 18's names. This could led to a LOT of more fan art. Fans who don't look up info are going to be very confused when they see a picture of 18 and the label only says "Lazuli".

[Kamiccolo9]

Goku was always view as the anime counterpart of Superman long before DB- came out. Both were sent to a Planet before their home world was destroy, both their fathers try to warn the destruction of the Planet and no one listen, both were adopted as a baby on Earth and didn't know that they were aliens until they got older.

Except, you know, before Minus Goku was sent to kill everyone on Earth, while Superman was sent there to guide and protect them.

Meh. Details, right?

[Marco Polo]

while Superman was sent there to guide and protect them.

Err no, he was sent there to escape the destruction of Krypton.

[Birusu16]

People are also clinging to a faulty translation when it comes to what the elder kai said. The elder kai never said the one who sealed him was weaker than Buu, he said he was never as BAD as Buu, which essentially means evil. That is true because Beerus isn't evil, he's a neutral being who only does what his job dictates he do.

[B]

Saiyans are good and care for their families and babies ?

Gine had a gentle personality and wasn’t cut out as a warrior, being repeatedly saved from danger by Bardock. At that time, a special emotion was born between them. Normally, Saiyans don’t have much of a notion of romance or marriage, and apart from the royal family of Vegeta, they aren’t particular about blood-relationships.
Being in among all that, I suppose you could say that the pair of Bardock and Gine were those rare Saiyans who were joined by a bond other than for reproductive purposes.

Yes, Toriyama sure loves paradoxes.

[Kamiccolo9]

while Superman was sent there to guide and protect them.

Err no, he was sent there to escape the destruction of Krypton.

Jor-El also tells him to guide and protect the people of Earth, because they are a barbaric, warlike race. Or something to that effect. Depending on which continuity you are referring to, of course. DC is a bit sketchy on that. Last I checked, Superman/Batman #50 was still in the main continuity. And then, if you want to count movie Superman, because why not, there's this quote: "They're a great people Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, they're capacity for good, I have sent them you, my only son."

[TheGmGoken]

People are also clinging to a faulty translation when it comes to what the elder kai said. The elder kai never said the one who sealed him was weaker than Buu, he said he was never as BAD as Buu, which essentially means evil. That is true because Beerus isn't evil, he's a neutral being who only does what his job dictates he do.

"Long, long ago, there was this ridiculously strong and bad dude. Well, he wasn’t as bad as this Majin Boo guy now, but still."

Here's the original line.

Wow...people still think Supes the first person to have that origin....

[DonZ]

Interviewer: Toriyama-Sensei did you read your manga and the supplementary information you had already given before agreeing to this Q&A?

Toriyama:

Spoiler:

Toriyama is the fucking master of trolling. he didn't even care about reading the manga as a preparation for the Q&A. DEAL WITH IT.

[Kamiccolo9]

Wow...people still think Supes the first person to have that origin....

You never mentioned anyone in the other thread to have that origin before Superman did. As in, an alien being sent to Earth avoid the destruction of their home planet, not any of a million other stories that happen to have a few similar themes.