Anybody already stopped watching Super?

[sintzu]

I don't feel like the people writing these stories care about the franchise.

I think they're putting forth the absolute minimum effort to get by.

And they're making me, well...not care less, but just upset, I guess. And too disappointed and disheartened to go on.

DBS makes me embarrassed to be a DB fan.

I guess this is how Star Wars fans felt when The Phantom Menace came out. The similarity is kind of eerie.

Maybe at some point in the future, someone inspired will come along and revive the franchise. I'm not expecting that for a long time though.

I don't think it's that,I think they just don't know what made the original into the inspirational classic that it is today.

I agree that Toie is however I'm going to wait till I see a bit more from u6 before I judge Toriyama.

I'm disappointed as well but not to the point where I'll drop the show.

You shouldn't be embarrassed for liking the franchise that gave us DB&Z which changed the manga/anime industry.

And how Batman fans felt when Batman&Robin came out.

The franchise will have to die in order to be revived which is something that'll never happen.

The movies however are different ,sure they follow the same story but they aren't childish like Super and have great action and animation so hopefully they'll continue with a u6 movie or movies depending on how long it is.

[Khin]

I feel like people are overreacting a bit too much,Dragon Ball have been always aimed for kids so i see nothin wrong with those childish stuff,if you stopped watching because of it,then I'm afraid to say your just too old for Dragon Ball.The only bad thing so far to me is the animation.

[sintzu]

Dragon Ball have been always aimed for kids so i see nothing wrong with those childish stuff.

If you stopped watching because of it,then I'm afraid to say your just too old for Dragon Ball.

If DB was aimed for kids then Super is aimed for babies and how could you not find anything wrong with the childish stuff ? DB was funny but I don't remember it being childish like Super,maybe there were some things here and there but with Super it's all the time.

There are people here who've stopped watching Super yet they still love the original and Z so it has nothing to do with getting older.

[Araki]

There are people here who've stopped watching Super yet they still love the original and Z so it has nothing to do with getting older.

But of course, that's called nostalgia. You always have a special place for something you grew up liking.

Super has indeed the same target demographics of DB or DBZ: KIDS. Some people just have weird expectations that things they like should grow up with them, so they keep fooling themselves about Super being different or having a different audience.
And of course, every long running franchise has those people that hate everything new by default.

The movies however are different ,sure they follow the same story but they aren't childish like Super

All things considered, the tv version of BoG was arguably more serious than the movie. Even the most controversial scene of Vegeta's karaoke was absent.

[sintzu]

But of course, that's called nostalgia. You always have a special place for something you grew up liking.

Some people just have weird expectations that things they like should grow up with them.

Some people keep fooling themselves about Super being different or having a different audience.

If that was it then they wouldn't have liked the last 2 movies.

Super didn't need to be a mature series,just one that's in line with what came before it or at least in line with the last 2 movies.

Anyone who thinks Super has the same level of seriousness that the original 2 have is lying to themselves.

[Araki]

If that was it then they wouldn't have liked the last 2 movies.

Super didn't need to be a mature series,just one that's in line with what came before it or at least in line with the last 2 movies.

Who is "they"? That's generalizing.
Like i said, the movie BoG isn't "more mature" at all. Again, you're just fooling yourself if you think that.
In the tv version, the character of Beerus was treated more seriously, Goku vs Beerus had more serious moments. The end of the fight was treated with a lot more depth. And so on.

All you have to claim it was "more childish" were the Pilaf scenes, but then again, they were also in the movie. And the anime always had silly background stuff happening during fights, like Bulma's adventures in Namek or Chichi trying to get there. Freaking' Goku vs Freeza was often interrupted by comical antics.

[Jaetinh]

I think they're putting forth the absolute minimum effort to get by. And they're making me, well...not care less, but just upset, I guess.

This right here is exactly how I feel. I will continue watching it since I love Dragon Ball (first and favorite anime of mine) and try to enjoy it but it's really difficult when I feel Toei just don't give a fuck. It upsets me a lot. I would love to have the feeling of being extremely excited about watching a new episode each sunday, but that feeling right now doesn't exist for DB Super. Gintama, Haikyuu, Ushio to Tora and other anime shows that air every week give me that "FUCK YES, a new episode!!" feeling.. but DBS? Nono.

[sintzu]

Who is "they"? That's generalizing.

Like i said, the movie BoG isn't "more mature" at all.

In the tv version, the character of Beerus was treated more seriously.

Goku vs Beerus had more serious moments.

If you follow these topics then you surly came across them.

It wasn't mature but it didn't have as much childish stuff like the TV version and it had great animation and fights which isn't something I can say for Super.

He was pretty much the same.

You mean this ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQAx8bmAIg4

[Majin Vegeta Fan]

I forced myself to watch this POS until episode 16 but i just can't take it anymore... I hate everything about it, beerus and whis, their f'n obsession with food, the horrible SSJG Goku design, the generic opening song, the bad animation, there's too much unnecessary and unfunny gag scenes, and a lot of other things i posted here http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 9#p1006319


If Toriyama thinks that people watched Z to see roshi rubbing his face on Chi-Chi's arse or patiently waited for the cool action to end so they could watch some garbage SoL filler episodes, then he's a delusional senile man who's not on touch with the audience.

Why should i watch it?

The story is rehashed from BOG and worse than BOG.
The animation is terrible.
The sound effects are terrible, can't believe we lost the iconic DBZ sounds forever.
The fights are terribly animated and drawn, they look lifeless, stiff and boring as shit.
The fight choregraphy is worse than GT and more childish.
The soundtrack is completely unmemorable.
Plotholes.

I don't watch shit.

In fact, i completely lost interest for the entire franchise.
I'm done with Dragon Ball.

Maybe one day if Toei loses the rights and we get a decent anime remake like HxH 2011, i will reconsider.
It's pretty sad that DB Kai looks better than Super. And it's an HD remaster.

Even GT looks better than Super at this point. My god.

The damn background music man... I mean, don't you need some sort of music degree or something to make music for an animation studio? because whoever composes the music for super sounds like an amateur. And i agree with you, the choreography is horrible, childish, slow and boring.

[Blade]

The damn background music man... I mean, don't you need some sort of music degree or something to make music for an animation studio? because whoever composes the music for super sounds like an amateur.

To answer your first question, no, you don't need a formal degree to be appointed to write music for something - but that's irrespective in this case, given that Sumitomo has a degree in music from Berklee.

'Technical proficiency' and 'knowledge' are not interchangeable with 'musical taste'. Sumitomo is a highly competent musician, composer and arranger - just because you don't like his musical score doesn't mean that he's any less qualified to do his job.

[sintzu]

If Toriyama thinks that people watched Z to see roshi rubbing his face on Chi-Chi's arse or patiently waited for the cool action to end so they could watch some garbage SoL filler episodes, then he's a delusional senile man who's not on touch with the audience.

What Toriyama or whoever is writing this thinks is that everything needs to be funny and there needs to be a joke or someone acting stupid every 2 seconds.

I know the 1st two series had comedy but unlike this it was balanced and it was actually funny,but what we're seeing here isn't comedy,it's stupidity.

Another thing I noticed is some characters (Goku,Vegeta&Whis) are becoming exaggerated parodies of themselves.

[VegettoEX]

I know the 1st two series had comedy but unlike this it was balanced and it was actually funny,but what we're seeing here isn't comedy,it's stupidity.

I'm laughing a lot and having fun.

[Hellspawn28]

DB was funny but I don't remember it being childish like Super,maybe there were some things here and there but with Super it's all the time.

Maybe you haven't watch the show in a while because the original Dragon Ball before Piccolo Daimao shows up was a action adventure comedy series and most of it was childish gags. Japanese kids love humorous antics which is why slapstick humor is common in kids shows in Japan. That's why other kids shows in Japan such as Kamen Rider Den-O was a big hit back in 2007.

[sintzu]

Maybe you haven't watch the show in a while because the original Dragon Ball before Piccolo Daimao shows up was a action adventure comedy series and most of it was childish gags.

It also had great fights&animation which is something Super doesn't have even though it's the sequel to one of the greatest action anime ever made which was during the 80's&90's.

[Doctor.]

It also had great fights&animation

No, it didn't. It suffered from the same problem most shows in the 80s do, and it was too slow for its own good. This is true for the action as well, besides one or two cuts every fifty episodes.

[Araki]

It also had great fights&animation

No, it didn't. It suffered from the same problem most shows in the 80s do, and it was too slow for its own good. This is true for the action as well, besides one or two cuts every fifty episodes.

And in the first 16 episodes of DBZ i can't remember any really impressive piece of fight or great animation compared to the first 16 of Super.

I know the 1st two series had comedy but unlike this it was balanced and it was actually funny,but what we're seeing here isn't comedy,it's stupidity.

No, that's just what you think, so you should speak for yourself.

I find it ironic how these people pulling the "stupid, childish" card tend to have the most childish and immature criticism and reasoning.
"don't matter what you people think, my two real life friends agree with me"
"i am right and anyone with a different opinion is 12 year old"

Seriously, that gotta mean something..

[VegettoEX]

I find it ironic how these people pulling the "stupid, childish" card tend to have the most childish and immature criticism and reasoning.
"don't matter what you people think, my two real life friends agree with me"
"i am right and anyone with a different opinion is 12 year old"

Seriously, that gotta mean something..

I agree with this analysis.

Don't misunderstand; I have a lot of qualms/problems/issues/complaints with Dragon Ball Super. That being said, I have little interest in having a discussion with either "side" of the argument if that's what your reasoning and evidence is going to boil down to. I suspect the same goes for lots of other members, which is why you're not getting much of an interesting discussion thrown back at you.

[fadeddreams5]

Super has indeed the same target demographics of DB or DBZ: KIDS. Some people just have weird expectations that things they like should grow up with them, so they keep fooling themselves about Super being different or having a different audience.
And of course, every long running franchise has those people that hate everything new by default.

But Super is very different. It may target the same demographic, but the standards for that change over time (stricter censorship and what-not). Also, there's a strong emphasis in this series on a type/style of comedy I am not fond of; the spectrum definitely leans towards comedy over drama here. To add insult to injury, it cuts away a lot from the few tense moments found, even during the Frieza fight (i.e. when he sees Beerus), so its placement can be godawful too, imo. The tone is very distinctive.

I didn't expect DBZ to "grow with me" and become some "super cereal" show with guts and blood everywhere. I just really want it to go back to that tone and mood found in the Piccolo-Cell sagas and a lot of the Buu one.

If I still watch Super, it's because... why not? It airs once a week, it's only 28 minutes long, it gives me something to talk/complain about, etc. Not to mention, as a long time fan, I can't help but remain curious. lol.

[DBZAOTA482]

It also had great fights&animation

No, it didn't. It suffered from the same problem most shows in the 80s do, and it was too slow for its own good. This is true for the action as well, besides one or two cuts every fifty episodes.

And in the first 16 episodes of DBZ i can't remember any really impressive piece of fight or great animation compared to the first 16 of Super.

The second episode had great animation...

Goku and Piccolo vs. Raditz was also plenty impressive if you ask me (here's some samples):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDsIAnB-LEI (0:00 - 0:42)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y7Y0nlO-rs (0:00 - 0:08)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRn6c-WLevc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVckuF7E_mw
https://youtu.be/K4tDZKuFI-U?t=228 (3:48 - 4:05)


Super's animation never truly impressed me outside some of the first episode.

[emperior]

I'm still watching Super and I enjoy it, but not as much as I enjoy DBZ.

Animation is sometimes good, sometimes very good, but sometimes really, really bad.
Another thing I REALLY hate is the new art style, it looks like a 12 year old kid is drawing it on Paint. DBZ had much better art and colors and it was a lot more consistent than Super.
I don't remember DBZ having bad animation and art so often, especially not on important episodes.

If only Super was drawn like DBZ, then it would be really good and would actually feel like a continuation of DBZ. Too bad they will never change it back because now it looks "fleshy and new".

At least, if art/animation was consistent like in BoG and RoF, I would enjoy it a lot more.
Hopefully once Super gets dubbed and airs worldwide, Toei will have already polished more the bad art episodes.


Here's some example:



Was drawing Goku good this difficult? A deviantart user could do it, why couldn't Toei?




This is why I miss old art.