The Grand Kanzenshuu DB: Super User Ratings Thread

[fadeddreams5]

DBZ has aged better than pretty much every action anime of the '80s-'90s I can think of. Even then, we have Kai.

That fact that Kai even exists just shows how bad DBZ has aged in many ahead. Plus I there are several action anime from the 80s and 90s that have aged better than Dragon Ball has. YuYu Hakusho, Saint Seiya and Rurouni Kenshin come to mind

I don't think DBZ has aged badly. It had horrible pacing issues from the beginning. Kai fixed that. That's really all it did. Well, and correct the dialogue in the English version. If we look at the numbers, Nicktoons' ratings soured when Kai was on the air, and decreased when they stopped broadcasting it. But more interestingly, Kai has the highest ratings of any show to ever air on Toonami since it began its run again in 2012. It broke a record of 2 million viewers in August 2015, and has a history (14 saturdays) of 1.5-1.7m views. Only other shows to crack 1.5 have been Bleach and Attack on Titan--one Saturday each.

This show has a charm to it (and art style) that I feel makes it timeless.

I've never watched Saint Seiya, but I definitely can't go back to Kenshin. And it's always been impossible for me to get people into Yu Yu Hakusho because they always tell me it looks so '80s. It does, and I feel that brought the series down. Going back to it myself, dear lord, it has a bad case of narrating everyone's attacks and naming everything. I still like it a lot, but I don't think it's aged well at all.

There's also Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Neon Genesis Evangelion (which could be argued as to whether or not it's an "action" anime, but there's a good deal of action in it), and so on that come to mind. Dragon Ball really isn't all that special, especially not any of its anime adaptations.

Cowboy Bebop, I'll give you. I really haven't watched those other two in ages to say anything. Never was a fan of Evangelion. Trigun, I loved. All of these are for a different demographic though. Compare a Disney movie to a Nolan flick, why don'tcha.

Dragon Ball is special though.

[Lord Beerus]

DBZ has aged better than pretty much every action anime of the '80s-'90s I can think of. Even then, we have Kai.

That fact that Kai even exists just shows how bad DBZ has aged in many ahead. Plus I there are several action anime from the 80s and 90s that have aged better than Dragon Ball has. YuYu Hakusho, Saint Seiya and Rurouni Kenshin come to mind

Take out Saint Seiya and you'd certainly have a point.

Really? I think Saint Seiya for an action anime in the 80s has aged quite well. It may seem dated but it's not a strain on the eyes in any area.

[Doctor.]

I don't think DBZ has aged badly. It had horrible pacing issues from the beginning. Kai fixed that. That's really all it did.

If you're using Kai as an argument as to how DBZ didn't age badly, then you have a problem right off the bat. Pacing is the main issue why it has aged poorly, most 80s and 90s shows are painfully slow, and DBZ is no exception.

Never was a fan of Evangelion.

You don't have to be a fan of something to admit it has aged well. I'm not the biggest NGE fan myself, and I think it has aged really well, and I watched it for the first time a few months ago.

Dragon Ball is special though.

It is special. But it's not special because it's timeless, since that's not true. The manga is timeless though.

[fadeddreams5]

If you're using Kai as an argument as to how DBZ didn't age badly, then you have a problem right off the bat. Pacing is the main issue why it has aged poorly, most 80s and 90s shows are painfully slow, and DBZ is no exception.

I mean, I definitely agree that the pacing and fillers were awful. But this was noticeable even when it aired, so age doesn't really have anything to do with it. Most modern Shonen suffer from the same thing. I was referring to other departments/elements of the show.

You don't have to be a fan of something to admit it has aged well. I'm not the biggest NGE fan myself, and I think it has aged really well, and I watched it for the first time a few months ago.

I meant I haven't seen enough of it. Stopped watching after a few episodes since it didn't grow on me. Vaguely remember anything. =P

It is special. But it's not special because it's timeless, since that's not true. The manga is timeless though.

Don't more people even know about this series and like it in the first place because of the anime? >.>

[Doctor.]

Well yea, but what about it? I think more people can recognize the Nolan Batman trilogy more often than the original Batman comic. When you think Disney, you think Lion King. Does this mean every other Disney masterpiece prior or after Lion King is no longer timeless? The anime exists because of the manga. And the manga doesn't have the same issues the anime does that makes it unbearable.

[fadeddreams5]

But they're different mediums, and the manga lacks something the anime does not: animated fights!

Kai may not be DBZ, but it's still the same story, same action sequences, same art, same character voices (well, some new and others refined), and so on. The one major change (besides filler removal, obviously) is the new music, which many fans outright disapprove of, yet that hasn't prevented it from doing so well. That must say something. Mind you, I don't know the status of the series internationally, but if the hype in Latin America over these new movies says anything, I'd say the anime is pretty huge over there too.

Timeless!

[MajinMan]

The anime, whether it's lower in quality or not, is 100% timeless. The score, nostalgia, rewatchabilty, it's all there. Whether it's better or worse than the manga is up to the individual to decide.

[ZombieVito]

Voted:

#001 - 8/10
#002 - 9/10
#003 - 8/10
#004 - 7/10
#005 - 7/10
#006 - 10/10
#007 - 9/10
#008 - 9/10
#009 - 7/10
#010 - 8/10
#011 - 10/10
#012 - 7/10
#013 - 8/10
#014 - 10/10
#015 - 7/10
#016 - 9/10

[irreality]

I definitely can't go back to Kenshin

Dude, have you seen the live action Kenshin movies? Those are solid. (sorry off topic -- but I recommend A++)

I recently rewatched the ovas and some episodes of Kenshin. The Ovas still are excellent and have aged better than anything DBZ/DB/movies/etc. I don't mind the episodes rewatching them: I find them more entertaining qua episodes than rewatching DBZ (although I am a sucker for DBZ so that makes up for a lot… I'm just always at loose ends as to what to show someone if I want to introduce them to it -- I normally default to the manga and tell them to skip the anime…).

Ug, I hear you on YYH -- I thought it looked dated back in 1999. I only ever followed it for shipping.

As for something like NGE and Cowboby Bebop: Cowboy bebop is just a solid now as it ever was. NGE is good as a product, but the plot definitely has the whole gnostic teenager faux seriousness so much of the late 90's stuff has that is hard to take seriously on rewatching.

[sintzu]

Overall it's been average which is disappointing considering it's a sequel to one of the most influential anime/manga ever made.

Being influential doesn't mean it was any good.

And Super is ?

If it wasn't any good then it wouldn't have been so influential that it changed the industry.

[fadeddreams5]

I definitely can't go back to Kenshin

Dude, have you seen the live action Kenshin movies? Those are solid. (sorry off topic -- but I recommend A++)

I recently rewatched the ovas and some episodes of Kenshin. The Ovas still are excellent and have aged better than anything DBZ/DB/movies/etc. I don't mind the episodes rewatching them: I find them more entertaining qua episodes than rewatching DBZ (although I am a sucker for DBZ so that makes up for a lot… I'm just always at loose ends as to what to show someone if I want to introduce them to it -- I normally default to the manga and tell them to skip the anime…).

Ug, I hear you on YYH -- I thought it looked dated back in 1999. I only ever followed it for shipping.

As for something like NGE and Cowboby Bebop: Cowboy bebop is just a solid now as it ever was. NGE is good as a product, but the plot definitely has the whole gnostic teenager faux seriousness so much of the late 90's stuff has that is hard to take seriously on rewatching.

Oh, I was referring to the Kenshin anime series, not the OVAs and live action stuff. Those are great. =D

[Ssgvegito30]

Voted!!
Ep 1 7/10
Ep 2 8/10
Ep 3 6/10
Ep 4 2/10 worst episode by far completely waist of screen time
Ep 5 3/10 didn't like the fighting comparison to the movie and the animation n art style made it worse.
Ep 6 7/10
Ep 7 7/10
Ep 8 6/10
Ep 9 6/10
Ep 10 7/10
Ep 11 8/10
Ep 12 7/10
Ep 13 6/10
Ep 14 8/10
Ep 15 5/10
Ep 16 9/10 best episode

[Doctor.]

Overall it's been average which is disappointing considering it's a sequel to one of the most influential anime/manga ever made.

Being influential doesn't mean it was any good.

And Super is ?

If it wasn't any good then it wouldn't have been so influential that it changed the industry.

I didn't say Super was good, either. I merely contested you on your statement where you imply that because DBZ is popular, that means it's good.

Plenty of things change an industry, but it doesn't mean those things are any good. Ever watched a popular series and thought "Well, that was pretty disappointing"? Yes? Well there you go. You're comparing Dragon Ball Z's popularity to Dragon Ball Super's quality, instead of judging both of them with the same criteria.

[Battousai]

#001 - 7/10
#002 -7/10
#003 - 8/10
#004 - 7/10
#005 - 7/10
#006 -8/10
#007 - 8/10
#008 - 9/10
#009 - 7/10
#010 - 8/10
#011 - 9/10
#012 - 7/10
#013 - 8/10
#014 - 9/10
#015 - 5/10
#016 - 6/10

[Khin]

I think most people have far too high expectations when the series was announced and expected it to be a 10/10 thats why most of them got dissapointed.

I accidentally submitted mine without voting so probably all of the episode got 1/10,I'm sorry.Heres my real vote.
#001 = 7/10
#002 = 10/10
#003 = 6/10
#004 = 6/10
#005 = 2/10
#006 = 7/10
#007 = 5/10
#008 = 6/10
#009 = 8/10
#010 = 7/10
#011 = 8/10
#012 = 8/10
#013 = 9/10
#014 = 9/10
#015 = 7/10
#016 = 7/10

If only the animation is as good as episode 2 or 13,i would probably give all the episodes an 8/10 or above.

[ImHere]

I gave the series so far a 7/10.

I think that people expected DB Super to be like DBZ in terms of the serious tone and action. When they didn't get that, they were very disappointed. People need to realize that this is not DBZ. It is DB Super. I personally like that its not always things blowing up and guys getting beaten up. DB Super looks like it will have a more balanced tone with 50% comedy and 50% action compared to 90% action and 10% comedy for DBZ. If you don't like that, tough luck. Maybe you ought to watch something else.

[Khin]

I think that people expected DB Super to be like DBZ in terms of the serious tone and action. When they didn't get that, they were very disappointed. People need to realize that this is not DBZ. It is DB Super. I personally like that its not always things blowing up and guys getting beaten up. DB Super looks like it will have a more balanced tone with 50% comedy and 50% action compared to 90% action and 10% comedy for DBZ. If you don't like that, tough luck. Maybe you ought to watch something else.

I agree but Super feels like a masterpiece compared to the first 16 episodes of DBZ.

[LuckyCat]

I voted for Episode 1 and then just hit submit. Does that mean I accidentally gave every other episode a zero?

The default value is 1, so it means you gave episodes 2-16 a 1. It's not a big deal though, as excess 1s can be filtered out of the data.

[rolmanus]

Well let's see...

Ep1 - 7/10
Ep2 - 8/10
Ep3 - 6/10
Ep4 - 5/10
Ep5 - 4/10
Ep6 - 9/10
Ep7 - 6/10
Ep8 - 7/10
Ep9 - 6/10
Ep10 - 6/10
Ep11 - 7/10
Ep12 - 5/10
Ep13 - 8/10
Ep14 - 9/10
Ep15 - 6/10
Ep16 - 9/10

Just for the record, i'm working as a reviewer, so I'm very strict in rating, even if it comes to my favorite series. That being said, i really enjoy the series, even the weaker episodes. The only ones I didn't enjoy are the ones below 6.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

The first reply doesn't inspire confidence that people are going to vote appropriately.

If you hover over the results, you can see a vote breakdown and determine what votes were outliers. It's not perfect, but it's pretty good for a free site.

Oh that is pretty cool!

Most of my votes were between 6-7, lowest I gave was 3 for well you know what episode and the highest I think I gave was 9 for the latest episode.