MistareFusion's Dragon Ball Dissection! (Updated 4/1/24!)

[Geekdom101]

Very good Dissection as always from Lance.

[jcogginsa]

- That's true, how the heck scouter didn't picked Chaozu and Yajirobe power level? They were surely stronger than Yamucha at this point.
- I also try not to pay too much attention to power levels, but i always wondered, why no one get siginificant power boost during these 5 years? Piccolo was still around, ready to counterattack, yet both he and Z-Warriors got barely stronger, yet it was suddenly 1 year was enough to get from 150-416 to 1000-3000?
- Kinda show how Mr. Toriyama treats Gohan from very beginning.

Well to be fair we never see the human's PLs before this so they could have improved themselves since the budokai

[Captain Space]

- That's true, how the heck scouter didn't picked Chaozu and Yajirobe power level? They were surely stronger than Yamucha at this point.
- I also try not to pay too much attention to power levels, but i always wondered, why no one get siginificant power boost during these 5 years? Piccolo was still around, ready to counterattack, yet both he and Z-Warriors got barely stronger, yet it was suddenly 1 year was enough to get from 150-416 to 1000-3000?
- Kinda show how Mr. Toriyama treats Gohan from very beginning.

Well to be fair we never see the human's PLs before this so they could have improved themselves since the budokai

I think they meant in terms of, say...Yamcha presumably being above 139 since the 23rd Budokai. 5 years later, he's at 178. So he can't have improved all that much.

I mean, one could argue that's how awesome Kami's training is I guess.

Or just that Toriyama was like, "Well, I guess after Goku and Piccolo the next strongest is Tenshinhan, then Krillin is stronger than Yamcha who's stronger than Roshi.", and didn't think any more about it than that.

[FoolsGil]

One thing I really don't like about the PL talk in the beginning of the series is how low Tenshinhan is. How is it that he's training every day and after 5 years his power is 206, and Goku is slacking being a family man with a power of 416?

[coola]

Honestly, i think it really is better to not think about power levels at all, for 5 years Z fighters and Piccolo barely got stronger, and in just one year they almost all (Except Yamcha and maybe Chaozu) made Raditz look like trash. And later we have Goku just got stronger from 10.000 to 90.000, and don't get me started on Freeza going from 120.000.000 to SSJG level in just 3 months...my head hurts. Honestly, power levels are bullshit

[dae428]

Honestly, i think it really is better to not think about power levels at all, for 5 years Z fighters and Piccolo barely got stronger, and in just one year they almost all (Except Yamcha and maybe Chaozu) made Raditz look like trash. And later we have Goku just got stronger from 10.000 to 90.000, and don't get me started on Freeza going from 120.000.000 to SSJG level in just 3 months...my head hurts. Honestly, power levels are bullshit

I'm quite inclined to agree. Once numbers became a part of measuring strength in Dragon Ball, everything just got really weird... Seriously, I had always believed that the Boo arc had the most strangest boosts in power, but honestly it seems that the Saiyan arc and Freeza arc are far more crazy.

[RandomGuy96]

I always felt that, the humans got a big boost in power from training in that one year, because they had several training partners while Goku only had Popo. Someone who I was just talking to mentioned that its mentioned twice in the Cell arc that having a training partner results in better gains.

But... Goku still has Popo.

[Kid Buu]

Maybe having multiple partners is better than just one? Its kinda a stretch, I know...

Honestly, i think it really is better to not think about power levels at all, for 5 years Z fighters and Piccolo barely got stronger, and in just one year they almost all (Except Yamcha and maybe Chaozu) made Raditz look like trash. And later we have Goku just got stronger from 10.000 to 90.000, and don't get me started on Freeza going from 120.000.000 to SSJG level in just 3 months...my head hurts. Honestly, power levels are bullshit

Yamcha is stronger than Chaozu, and both are weaker than Raditz, along with Yajirobe. That would mean only 2 out of the 5 surpassed Raditz, so I wouldn't say "almost all."

[Mewzard]

To echo my comment on the video:

You know...I know the Dragon can't just kill the Saiyans normally with a wish...but could he suck all the air out of their spacepods? Send them flying into a star or black hole? Explode their spacepod? Simply send their craft to the other side of the universe? Change their air into Carbon Monoxide? Fill the air supply with bacteria/viruses? Flood the pods with Sulfuric Acid?

I just feel there's options ol' Shenlong isn't considering here.

But other than that, glad to see another video from you man! Looking forward to December.

[Regarder]

To echo my comment on the video:

You know...I know the Dragon can't just kill the Saiyans normally with a wish...but could he suck all the air out of their spacepods? Send them flying into a star or black hole? Explode their spacepod? Simply send their craft to the other side of the universe? Change their air into Carbon Monoxide? Fill the air supply with bacteria/viruses? Flood the pods with Sulfuric Acid?

I just feel there's options ol' Shenlong isn't considering here.

But other than that, glad to see another video from you man! Looking forward to December.

It seems more like he's not allowed to kill beings with more ki than himself, not that he can't.

[Captain Space]

One thing I really don't like about the PL talk in the beginning of the series is how low Tenshinhan is. How is it that he's training every day and after 5 years his power is 206, and Goku is slacking being a family man with a power of 416?

Goku never stopped training, this seems to be a common misconception (I used to believe it myself). He says to Piccolo "Looks like we've both been training hard!" when they fight Raditz.

(And 206 is Krillin, Tenshinhan's at 250.)

Yamcha is stronger than Chaozu, and both are weaker than Raditz, along with Yajirobe. That would mean only 2 out of the 5 surpassed Raditz, so I wouldn't say "almost all."

Pretty sure Yamcha surpassed Raditz, as evidenced by how quickly he beat down the Saibaman.

As for Chaozu, we have no idea, we never find out how much he improved. Same for Yajirobe. (Well, we know those two surpassed Kami, but other than that no clue. Certainly nothing but guesswork and peripheral-numbers-also-based-on-guesswork to definitively put them under Raditz, although it's certainly likely.)

[Kid Buu]

Raditz is listed as having a power level of 1500, Yamcha at 1480.

[Puto]

One thing I really don't like about the PL talk in the beginning of the series is how low Tenshinhan is. How is it that he's training every day and after 5 years his power is 206, and Goku is slacking being a family man with a power of 416?

Goku never stopped training, this seems to be a common misconception

Probably because Piccolo outright said Goku had slacked off during that fight, but that was in the context of him not having developed any new techniques, not basic training.

[Insertclevername]

I don't post that much anymore but I just wanted to come here and say I'm glad you're still active with this series and I'm looking forward to your marathon this December.

[Captain Space]

Raditz is listed as having a power level of 1500, Yamcha at 1480.

1. Neither of those canon to the manga.
2. Just as many sources list Raditz as 1200 as list him as 1500.
3. Clearly Raditz is not stronger than post-training Yamcha, given how quickly Yamcha defeated the Saibaman (that was said to be equal to Raditz) he fought in hand to hand. And actual events in the manga trump any numbers given anywhere.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

Your continued questioning of Gohan has inspired me to watch some of Gohan anime filler again, realizing that I had never seen a good several episodes of it before! Say what you will about the writing, but simply seeing Gohan operate on his own for so long definitely smooths out the transition.

Something I might be misreading; you said that our seeing only snippets of Goku's training with Kaio is fine since his two big techniques are the goal. Wouldn't that be inadvertently endorsing the notion of abandoning bodily training in favor of using transformations to quickly bridge large strength gaps? Granted the Kaio-ken is not a transformation in the series' usual sense of the term and it requires a great deal more thought to get the most out of, but it strikes me as the forefather of the concept: or perhaps that is just the "Moar Kaioken!" attitude Toei took in the movies dirtying the well.

[FoolsGil]

Well I can admit I was wrong on Goku, but even within PLs it's agreed that with everything we know about Tenshinhan, he should not be so far behind the other two right?

Of course...power levels are bullshit, and it may be better to ignore it. But man if there was one thing I wish Toriyama took seriously and planned, it would be the PL discussion. Piccolo and Goku talk a good game, but needed Gohan to blindswipe Raditz to win, SJ articles state there was only a 500 pl difference between Piccolo and Nappa, yet Piccolo couldn't beat Nappa on his own, and then later on Vegeta is utterly dominating folks on Namek with a 1000 pl difference, when on Earth Goku and Vegeta had larger gaps and yet they almost seemed equally matched.

[Saiga]

Well I can admit I was wrong on Goku, but even within PLs it's agreed that with everything we know about Tenshinhan, he should not be so far behind the other two right?

What? No, he got totally humiliated by Goku in the 23rd Budokai and toward the end of his fight with Piccolo Jnr, it was mentioned that although he was half exhausted Jnr still had enough power left to take out everyone there if they tried to help Goku.

[FoolsGil]

Well I can admit I was wrong on Goku, but even within PLs it's agreed that with everything we know about Tenshinhan, he should not be so far behind the other two right?

What? No, he got totally humiliated by Goku in the 23rd Budokai and toward the end of his fight with Piccolo Jnr, it was mentioned that although he was half exhausted Jnr still had enough power left to take out everyone there if they tried to help Goku.

And yet we are given an image of Tenshinhan as someone who trains like crazy every day. What would be holding him back to the point he isn't anywhere near Goku or Piccolo's power?

[Kamiccolo9]

Well I can admit I was wrong on Goku, but even within PLs it's agreed that with everything we know about Tenshinhan, he should not be so far behind the other two right?

What? No, he got totally humiliated by Goku in the 23rd Budokai and toward the end of his fight with Piccolo Jnr, it was mentioned that although he was half exhausted Jnr still had enough power left to take out everyone there if they tried to help Goku.

And yet we are given an image of Tenshinhan as someone who trains like crazy every day. What would be holding him back to the point he isn't anywhere near Goku or Piccolo's power?

He's just not as good as them. That's really all there is to it. Not everyone is equal, especially when you're comparing people from different species.