U6 not having a final villan but instead just a conflict

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U6 not having a final villan but instead just a conflict

Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:29 pm

First of all i would like to ask if the some of the mods can move this thread to DBS (since i can´t create a thread there)

Looking at different forums and in Kanzenshuu, many of the users seens to agree that U6 arc will have a final boss villan (ala Freezer, Cell, Majin Bu), common candidates being Champa, Vados, Whis(?) or a completely new character yet to be introduced but, so far i haven´t seen somebody bringing up the possibility (maybe i didn´t look hard enough) of this Arc not having one at all. Instead a conflict would be the main focus in it, which would be unrelated to some character playing hiden schemes but instead it would be about character(s) conflict/objective.

Some of you might say that U6 will indeed have a "final villan", it being Champa/Vados due to their interest in the Super Dragon Balls and you could be right. However, i see it playing in some interesting way:
  1. Champa/Vados will go after the Super Dragon Balls to fullfil some desire of them.
  2. Which at first it will give the impresion that he/she is the final villan
  3. However some s*** happens
  4. Which causes some kind of problem (multiverse annihilation ?, U7 balance being at stake ? or Something)
  5. From that point onward Vados/Champa stop being the "final villan" and are affected by said problem in some shape or form.
  6. They might or not end up helping in resolving said issue.
  7. Goku and friends deals with the problem
  8. The problem meets its conclusion, ending the U6 arc
If i had to make an analogy, this Arc could be something akin to the Red Ribbon Army Arc (a criminally underrated arc imo), where the plot doesn´t revolve around an entity and its potential treat (RRA) but said entity is just a vehicle for the main conflict of the arc (Goku recovering the 4-star DB).

What do you think about it ?
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Re: U6 not having a final villan but instead just a conflict

Post by fadeddreams5 » Sun Nov 08, 2015 10:01 pm

I very much think this is, more or less, what will happen.

Champa may desire the Super Dragon Balls for some food related wish. However, wishing on these things brings some sort of repercussion that impacts Universe 6's twin (universe of the main cast). He's no villain, but his wish brings possible peril, so they have to stop him or figure out a way to undo what he's done, which might bring everyone to either other parts of Universe 6 or the rest of the multiverse (i.e. split the cast). Given the nature of the series, I really wouldn't be surprised if there is no serious main villain at all. At most, we'll get characters like Pilaf, Beerus, or those cat aliens from the Mr. Satan episode.
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Post by FortuneSSJ » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:29 am

That's a interesting thought. But I think we will still have new villain in the end.
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Re: U6 not having a final villan but instead just a conflict

Post by ekrolo2 » Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:22 pm

If Super doesn't end with Goku using the power of friendship to murder God with his big ass, random sword, then I will be sorely disappointed.
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Post by Cetra » Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:26 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:If Super doesn't end with Goku using the power of friendship to murder God with his big ass, random sword, then I will be sorely disappointed.
Villain becomes a god, heroes use the power of friendship/love/all good to defeat him ...

But that is the story of each Japanese Role-Playing Game ever written.
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Post by buutenks » Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:10 pm

Well i somehow doubt vados or champa will be final villains,or villains at all.

I'm guessing the tournament will go then something will interrupt it and some new character will appear and rest idk ^^.I hope I'm wrong cos this wouldnt be interesting at all,would still enjoy it though,but still prefer something less obvious.

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Post by Lord Frieza » Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:07 pm

Considering how Champa and Vados have been acting It very likely they will turn out to be the true villains of that arc. They have been sneaking around Universe 7 and destroying planets searching for the Super Dragon Ball of Universe 7, their actions paint them in a darker light then Beerus and Whis. I cant help but feel that this whole tournament is just part of a bigger plan.

If Champa is the opposite to Beerus then even if he's not as strong he'll likely be more dangerous. Beerus would have destroyed anyone who mocked him but while Champa has a lot more self control (at least in regard to his temper) which could mean he is more intelligent then he seems.

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Post by Geekdom101 » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:21 pm

I really want a dangerous final villain, one who would give the Gods a real challenge, to wrap up the series with some real drama.
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Post by precita » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:40 pm

The problem is there would have to be a villain even stronger than Beerus now, which makes little sense. Where would yet another all powerful being come from?

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Post by Sodhi » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:45 pm

precita wrote:The problem is there would have to be a villain even stronger than Beerus now, which makes little sense. Where would yet another all powerful being come from?
I am pretty sure there are people stronger than beerus in any of the other 11 universes

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Post by DragonHermit » Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:27 am

precita wrote:The problem is there would have to be a villain even stronger than Beerus now, which makes little sense. Where would yet another all powerful being come from?
Beerus himself said that there are much more powerful beings than him out there in other universes, at the end of BoG. Beerus will be nothing more than a Master Roshi in due time. He will surely be surpassed very soon. I think once Toriyama elaborates on who assigns Gods of Destruction to each Universe, and how this training program with Whis/Vados works, that's when we'll get a hint at the "final villain".

Knowing Toriyama's style well, I think we will see an Emperor of all 12 Universes parallel with Frieza in DBZ.

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Post by GTX » Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:44 pm

It will depend on how long the anime will run. The longer episode is needed to having both present in the story.
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Post by ssjvegeta420 » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:06 pm

Geekdom101 wrote:I really want a dangerous final villain, one who would give the Gods a real challenge, to wrap up the series with some real drama.
i totally agree geekdom. i also hate what they did to frieza in ressurection f, my favourite villian frieza was made to be a joke and non threatening, it was a disgrace to such a badass character. just go watch the namek arc in dbz and you will see what i mean. he deserved better then a cheap easy death to kill him off.

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Post by shadd21 » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:49 am

Even though Toriyama has been breaking a lot of Shonen standards in Dragon Ball latly, i highly doubt he'll end DBS on a wimper by not having a final big bad, assuming U6 is the end of DBS that is.

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Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:03 am

DragonHemit wrote:Beerus will be nothing more than a Master Roshi in due time. He will surely be surpassed very soon.
I'm hoping this doesn't happen. The universe shaking during the Goku vs Beerus fight in Super made both characters appear way more overpowered than necessary (at least from a pre-GT perspective), I'd hate to think what it would be like if their potential at that point became a joke.

I'd like to see a situational conflict rather than a boss villain for a change, but I've no doubt the latter will happen somewhere down the road.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:04 pm

shadd21 wrote:Even though Toriyama has been breaking a lot of Shonen standards in Dragon Ball latly, i highly doubt he'll end DBS on a wimper by not having a final big bad, assuming U6 is the end of DBS that is.
Dragon Ball Super will most definitely continue beyond the Universe 6 arc. Given toy sales are up to standard. :wink:

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Post by DragonHermit » Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:57 pm

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shadd21 wrote:Even though Toriyama has been breaking a lot of Shonen standards in Dragon Ball latly, i highly doubt he'll end DBS on a wimper by not having a final big bad, assuming U6 is the end of DBS that is.
Dragon Ball Super will most definitely continue beyond the Universe 6 arc. Given toy sales are up to standard. :wink:
Any stats out there on how merchandise side of things is doing?

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Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:44 pm

DragonHermit wrote:
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shadd21 wrote:Even though Toriyama has been breaking a lot of Shonen standards in Dragon Ball latly, i highly doubt he'll end DBS on a wimper by not having a final big bad, assuming U6 is the end of DBS that is.
Dragon Ball Super will most definitely continue beyond the Universe 6 arc. Given toy sales are up to standard. :wink:
Any stats out there on how merchandise side of things is doing?
We'll have to wait until Kanzneshuu provides the usual report on Bandai Namco fiscal figures to get a good grasp of how well Dragon Ball is doing in terms of merchandise.

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Post by Berserker1921 » Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:35 pm

Honestly for dbs. I would love to see in the future a renegade kaioshin or former God of destruction. Who was the first one. He was so powerful he could not be defeated but imprisoned and it's the enity of all evil for all of dragon ball. He is darkness itself. He would be like an Aizen like villain who just outclasses everyone with his intelligence and sheer power. That's something I love to see. This darkseid/Aizen/ super bad ass villain. Who would be be so powerful that he makes whis and vados look like chaotzu. And all the gods, kaioshin, and z-warriors have work together to defeat him.

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Post by BluePiccolo » Sat Dec 05, 2015 6:27 pm

Cetra wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:If Super doesn't end with Goku using the power of friendship to murder God with his big ass, random sword, then I will be sorely disappointed.
Villain becomes a god, heroes use the power of friendship/love/all good to defeat him ...

But that is the story of each Japanese Role-Playing Game ever written.
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