The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Darkprince410 » Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:14 pm

apex_pretador wrote: He won't.
He wanted to keep piccolo alive for info. about DB's. Even nappa didn't attempt to kill piccolo, he just got in the way. I doubt he could get in the way if blast was fired by vegeta to gohan.

Oh , and I just wanted some interesting scenario rather than "everyone dies" , so no heart virus in my scenario.
By the time that Vegeta had detected that Goku was on his way, he had decided not to bother with keeping Piccolo around. He had surmised that there was truth in the legend of the Namekian wish orbs upon learning of the Earth's Dragon Balls and finding a Namekian there, so he had already decided they should just dispense with everyone and head to Namek to get them.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by omaro34 » Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:26 pm

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omaro34 wrote:What if Goku never let go of Raditz's tail and let Piccolo kill him with the Special Beam Cannon? This means Goku would live, but how would this change the series and future events? Would Vegeta and Nappa still come to Earth? Would Piccolo remain evil? Would there still be a Freeza saga? Would the Androids wipe everybody out? How would this change everything?
Raditz would still gloat about two stronger Saiyans coming to Earth to spite Goku and Piccolo because he's an evil prick like that. Piccolo would go off to train on his own and Goku would train Gohan. But ultimately because Goku doesn't die, he doesn't train with King Kai and doesn't learn the kaioken technique and when Vegeta and Nappa arrive, all of the Z-Fighters are slaughtered and the Earth is destroyed.
Would Vegeta and Nappa really spend an entire year travelling through space just to go to Earth to investigate what happened to Raditz though? Goku is alive, hence Piccolo wouldn't tell Raditz about the Dragonballs, which mean Vegeta and Nappa wouldn't know about them either.

The only reason those two Saiyans came to Earth anyway was to wish for immortality.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Noah » Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:40 pm

- What if Krillin was killed minutes before Goku arrival in the Saiyan Arc?

- What if 25th Tenkaichi Budokai continued without interventions?

- What would change in the battle against Semi-Perfect Cell if Goku and Gohan were there instead of Vegeta and Trunks?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:25 pm

omaro34 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:
omaro34 wrote:What if Goku never let go of Raditz's tail and let Piccolo kill him with the Special Beam Cannon? This means Goku would live, but how would this change the series and future events? Would Vegeta and Nappa still come to Earth? Would Piccolo remain evil? Would there still be a Freeza saga? Would the Androids wipe everybody out? How would this change everything?
Raditz would still gloat about two stronger Saiyans coming to Earth to spite Goku and Piccolo because he's an evil prick like that. Piccolo would go off to train on his own and Goku would train Gohan. But ultimately because Goku doesn't die, he doesn't train with King Kai and doesn't learn the kaioken technique and when Vegeta and Nappa arrive, all of the Z-Fighters are slaughtered and the Earth is destroyed.
Would Vegeta and Nappa really spend an entire year travelling through space just to go to Earth to investigate what happened to Raditz though? Goku is alive, hence Piccolo wouldn't tell Raditz about the Dragonballs, which mean Vegeta and Nappa wouldn't know about them either.

The only reason those two Saiyans came to Earth anyway was to wish for immortality.
Well, Nappa did state they would go the planet later, so it would only be a matter of time before Vegeta and Nappa would arrive on Earth.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by pacz360 » Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:28 pm

What if beerus and whis were in gt?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by apex_pretador » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:05 am

Noah wrote:- What if Krillin was killed minutes before Goku arrival in the Saiyan Arc?

- What if 25th Tenkaichi Budokai continued without interventions?

- What would change in the battle against Semi-Perfect Cell if Goku and Gohan were there instead of Vegeta and Trunks?
- Goku will turn super saiyan and beat the living $%!t of nappa and vegeta

- Interseting. If No turning of SS rule is followed, then either piccolo or vegeta (He won't give a damn about rule if he needs to go SS) wins , otherwise goku wins. But ultimately, the champ is satan

- Semi cell will use solar flare to get to 18 and absorb her.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:28 am

pacz360 wrote:What if beerus and whis were in gt?
Beerus and Whis would have easily stop Super Yi Xing Long and the day would have been safe.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by omaro34 » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:42 pm

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pacz360 wrote:What if beerus and whis were in gt?
Beerus and Whis would have easily stop Super Yi Xing Long and the day would have been safe.
Bulma would give Whis some delicious delicacies in exchange he takes out the any GT villain that comes to Earth.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Khin » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:20 am

What if the instead of Super,the Buu Saga is the one who just come out now ? How would fans react to Great Saiyaman,Majin Buu's design,SSj3 etc..

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:36 am

SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:What if the instead of Super,the Buu Saga is the one who just come out now ? How would fans react to Great Saiyaman,Majin Buu's design,SSj3 etc..
There would be outrage across the internet from Western fans that Dragon Ball is returning to its gag roots and a more lukewarm reception from Eastern fans that Dragon Ball was returning to its gag roots

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:39 pm

omaro34 wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:
pacz360 wrote:What if beerus and whis were in gt?
Beerus and Whis would have easily stop Super Yi Xing Long and the day would have been safe.
Bulma would give Whis some delicious delicacies in exchange he takes out the any GT villain that comes to Earth.
Beerus and Whis won't really care for Bebi and Super 17. However Super Yi Xing Long was going to create a negative energy chain reaction that was going to destroy ever planet and star in the Universe. Beerus would have step in for that knowing that he is not going let someone destroy all of the Planets before he does.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Noah » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:11 pm

apex_pretador wrote:
- Goku will turn super saiyan and beat the living $%!t of nappa and vegeta

- Semi cell will use solar flare to get to 18 and absorb her.
- I don't really think Goku would turn into a SSJ, I'm with the theory that SSJ is not just unlocked by mere rage but you have to be in a certain peak of power level as Goku after his last Zenkai on Namek.

- No, I'm mean would Goku be reckless as Vegeta and let Cell achieve his Perfect Form? Goku would be a FPSSJ against Semi-Perfect Cell meaning that he could either finish the battle with no effort or let Cell become Perfect to fight he and later Gohan
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Blackstripe » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:26 pm

What if Bardock and Gine were able to escape to Earth safely with baby Kakarotto?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:06 pm

They would rise Goku to be way different. Bardock would still train him to be a murder and would have Goku wipe out the Earth.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by apex_pretador » Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:31 am

Blackstripe wrote:What if Bardock and Gine were able to escape to Earth safely with baby Kakarotto?
Freeza is still the ruler of the universe (or killed by beerus)
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Darkron2151 » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:04 pm

Noah wrote:
- I don't really think Goku would turn into a SSJ, I'm with the theory that SSJ is not just unlocked by mere rage but you have to be in a certain peak of power level as Goku after his last Zenkai on Namek.
Not necessarily. There's a chapter in the manga where it shows Future Trunks' time with Future Gohan before he dies to the Androids. In the beginning, SSJ Teen Trunks is fighting Base Gohan with Gohan having the advantage. This Gohan is also stated to be weaker than Trunks when he arrives to kill Freeza, so it would be:
  • SSJ Yardrat Goku > SSJ Future Trunks > SSJ Future Gohan (1 Arm) >= Mecha Freeza >>> Base Future Trunks > Base Future Gohan > SSJ Teen Trunks >>> Base Teen Trunks
With the 50x multiplier for Super Saiyan in mind, that would put Future Trunks in his teens in the mid-10,000s (40,000-50,000) or so in power IMO, which is vastly weaker than Namek Goku's 3,000,000, yet has seemingly no trouble at all going Super Saiyan.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Majin Whis » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:05 pm

What if...Champa gathered all the Super Dragon balls and wished to become as powerful as his assistant Vado and then tries to kill Beerus out of revenge and hatred?

Could make sense for a motive since Beerus is clearly stronger then Champa. Vado could possibly know she couldn't take on both Beerus and Whis at the same time so she convinces Champa to find them to try and overwhelm them.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Noah » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:25 pm

Darkron2151 wrote:Not necessarily. There's a chapter in the manga where it shows Future Trunks' time with Future Gohan before he dies to the Androids. In the beginning, SSJ Teen Trunks is fighting Base Gohan with Gohan having the advantage. This Gohan is also stated to be weaker than Trunks when he arrives to kill Freeza, so it would be:
  • SSJ Yardrat Goku > SSJ Future Trunks > SSJ Future Gohan (1 Arm) >= Mecha Freeza >>> Base Future Trunks > Base Future Gohan > SSJ Teen Trunks >>> Base Teen Trunks
With the 50x multiplier for Super Saiyan in mind, that would put Future Trunks in his teens in the mid-10,000s (40,000-50,000) or so in power IMO, which is vastly weaker than Namek Goku's 3,000,000, yet has seemingly no trouble at all going Super Saiyan.
I'm aware of that. I put History Of Trunks above this Special Chapter for several reasons, that's one of those, it feels unnatural for me that a SSJ is just unlocked by raw emotions or training instead of being a combination of both. (Ignoring prodigies aka Goten and Kid Trunks)
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by apex_pretador » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:29 am

Noah wrote:
Darkron2151 wrote:Not necessarily. There's a chapter in the manga where it shows Future Trunks' time with Future Gohan before he dies to the Androids. In the beginning, SSJ Teen Trunks is fighting Base Gohan with Gohan having the advantage. This Gohan is also stated to be weaker than Trunks when he arrives to kill Freeza, so it would be:
  • SSJ Yardrat Goku > SSJ Future Trunks > SSJ Future Gohan (1 Arm) >= Mecha Freeza >>> Base Future Trunks > Base Future Gohan > SSJ Teen Trunks >>> Base Teen Trunks
With the 50x multiplier for Super Saiyan in mind, that would put Future Trunks in his teens in the mid-10,000s (40,000-50,000) or so in power IMO, which is vastly weaker than Namek Goku's 3,000,000, yet has seemingly no trouble at all going Super Saiyan.
I'm aware of that. I put History Of Trunks above this Special Chapter for several reasons, that's one of those, it feels unnatural for me that a SSJ is just unlocked by raw emotions or training instead of being a combination of both. (Ignoring prodigies aka Goten and Kid Trunks)
It is possible that there is no barrier for Super Saiyan for half humans , or, the barrier is easier to overcome than in full saiyans.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by apex_pretador » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:32 am

WHAT IF:
Piccolo , rather than fusing with kami, uses HTC / ROSAT to get the same power boost as he got by fusion. Goku still brings dende as a safety measure as piccolo's death may be possible. How is the story affected?
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