"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Khin]

Dragon god Zarama has me interested. Maybe he is indeed stronger than vados or whis.

Considering how the SDB can literally grant any wish.Zarama may not only be stronger than Vados,he may be an omnipotent being

[DI297]

So ppl already started with the from super to gt thing again?

[Khin]

So ppl already started with the from super to gt thing again?

What are you trying to say ?

[Xeztin]

Dragon god Zarama has me interested. Maybe he is indeed stronger than vados or whis.

I think Zarama is a take on Salamander in Japanese, the Dragon God probably will be all knowing, and will be a small tiny lizard.

So ppl already started with the from super to gt thing again?

No one has said anything about GT have they? anyway's Super cant tie into GT at this point, tails are discarded, we have God Ki and Kabito Kai is split back up in the manga.

[BluePiccolo]

Did someone understand if there are 2 sets of Super Dragon Balls, 1 set in Universe 6 and 1 set in 7? Or just one set for both universes which would make more sense since Champa was searching for the last one in U7.

[Khin]

Did someone understand if there are 2 sets of Super Dragon Balls, 1 set in Universe 6 and 1 set in 7? Or just one set for both universes which would make more sense since Champa was searching for the last one in U7.

Beerus,Bulma and the others thought there are 2 sets of Super Dragon Balls,but it was later confirmed by Zuno that there is only one.

Spoiler:

Bulma: “O-OK then, tell me everything about the Super Dragon Balls.”

Zuno: “The Super Dragon Balls, also known as ‘Wish Orbs’, are perfect spheres with a diameter of 37,196.2204 kilometers, created by the Dragon God Zarama in the 41st year of the Divine Calendar. Universe 6 and Universe 7 together have a total of seven of these light-yellow balls, each of which contains one to seven red starfish marks. These red starfish marks are Zarama’s own original design, which he obtained a patent for during the 42nd year of the Divine Calendar. This design utilizes refraction to ensure that the marks remain starfish-shaped no matter from which angle they are viewed. If you assemble all seven spheres scattered throughout the two universes and intone in the language of the gods the incantation ‘Come forth, God of Dragons, and grant my wish, easy peasy lemon squeezy!’, then the God of Dragons will appear and grant any wish, but only one. Once that wish is granted, they will once again scatter throughout the two universes and silently await the time when they shall be gathered up again by someone with an unobtainable dream.”

[Gendo]

About discussion of goku's hair color in this chapter.
I think it's pretty obvious that the regular ssj form will be kept in the series. It's the most comercial and iconic image of DragonBall.
But if someone still has doubts, here some captures. The color code for the hair of SSGSS is grey and, like always, the SS form is white. Furthermore, there are new cards with these forms.

[apex_pretador]

The problem is, that nobody in universe 7 was wondering why goku used ssj instead of ssjb. Why wasn't Vegeta or Piccolo suprised: ohh can Goku still do this, what happen to ssjB?

So ssjb is not gone because they should explain why it was gone, but they did't.

So three things:
1)Goku was just ssjB but they drew it wrong.
2)Goku did use ssj and can go higher(ssjb) if needed
3) goku did use ssj so Vegeta can steal the show with ssj BLue (suprise element)

4) Gods aren't allowed in the tournament

That Freeza thing was an one time thing only and is not happening again for any character. It's the new Kaio-ken(Only happen for Goku and is never brought up again.)

People know this to and act like that gonna happen for any character again.

But the thing I don't understand is why are people starting put morals into db and acting like both need Champa and Beerus need to be killed off to because they have killed? If you put morals into db then Vegeta, Piccolo ,and Fat Buu, both deserve to die as much as Freeza did.

Akira himself has stated multiply times that he does not care about moral stuff.

Also Zuno is Omniscient.

What has piccolo done morally to deserve to die? Also he has died 3 times, twice protecting gohan.

I hope Goku mentions Golden Freeza to Frost, it would be weird if he didn't. What's strange is Frost's transformations are similar to Freeza's. Judging from Golden Freeza, we can assume the others were Freeza's creations as well but why would Frost create them in the same way? Could it be that stuff in twin Universes are connected in some way that makes the final product pretty much the same? God hierarchy, mutant Emperor, Boo-like creature.

I don't think the "regular" transformations are created by freeza or frost.
The "evolution" forms were created by cooler / freeza.

[ArchedThunder]

I really don't understand why people think Goku using regular Super Saiyan means Blue is gone, that's a pretty huge leap in logic...

[SansrivaaL]

I'm quite weirded out myself, Goku going regular Gold SSJ doesnt mean the SSJB form is gone, maybe God ki users arent allowed in the tournament hence why Goku's only using his regular burst Ki.

[supersaiyan DbZ fan]

I'm kinda sad that Goku won't get to face Cabe.
Does Akira Toriyama decide the storyline as well? Or does he just draw character designs? I know he doesn't do the dialogue.

[GodVegetto91]

I'm kinda sad that Goku won't get to face Cabe.
Does Akira Toriyama decide the storyline as well? Or does he just draw character designs? I know he doesn't do the dialogue.

He's the one who wrote the story for the Universe 6 Arc on Paper. With a pen.

[ArchedThunder]

I'm kinda sad that Goku won't get to face Cabe.
Does Akira Toriyama decide the storyline as well? Or does he just draw character designs? I know he doesn't do the dialogue.

He's the one who wrote the story for the Universe 6 Arc on Paper. With a pen.

And with some of the lines between the manga and anime being pretty much identical I wouldn't be surprised if he wrote some dialogue.

As for Cabba VS Goku, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw them sparring in the future, I don't think Frost or Cabba are one time characters, I think they're here to stay. Botamo feels like a one time guy, It's hard to get a feel for Magetta since we haven't seen him do anything and Hit seems to me like he'll either stay around or will be a one time character because he's an antagonist that is killed.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I'm quite weirded out myself, Goku going regular Gold SSJ doesnt mean the SSJB form is gone, maybe God ki users arent allowed in the tournament hence why Goku's only using his regular burst Ki.

Beerus and Champa can't fight nor can Whis and Vados. You maybe on to something. Hopefully we get something on tomorrow episode

[sintzu]

He's the one who wrote the story for the Universe 6 Arc on Paper. With a pen.

That's news to me, I thought he cut off one of his fingers to use as a pen and wrote it on a rock.

[TheMikado]

It certainly looked like Goku transformed into a standard SSJ in this chapter. Perhaps Toriyama is taking a page from the original version of BoG...

Recall that after SSG timed out in the original BoG film, Goku reverted to base and continued fighting Beerus. However, he soon transformed into a standard, golden-haired, SSJ when his base power wasn't enough and pressed the fight much harder. Beerus later commented that his power at that level was only slightly weaker than SSG, as he'd absorbed that tier of power into his being. So maybe that's what we're seeing right now in the tournament..? Essentially a 'faux-SSB'.

Just a thought. /shrug

Yes, this is basically what I've been trying to say for the longest. I think SSB was a transitional form much like SSG. The reason being is that Vegeta and Goku had literally just recently achieved it when Gold Frieza arrived. They spent the equivalent of 3 years in the RoSaT. If they trained in a similar fashion to how Goku and Gohan did in the preparation for the Cell games then would have further assimilated God ki into themselves to the point where it gives no discernable visual difference in the SAME exact way that SSG works but SSB is BASED on SSG.

Basically we should think that as far as Saiyans go their transformations still have the same rules apply/be possible as their previous forms. (Stamina drain, conditions like the moon/tails, etc.) If that's the cause SSB could be "mastered" and their regular SSJ form is now a "mastered" form of SSB.

In my opinion this explanation makes the MOST sense rather than the ability to switch God Ki on and off. I feel like the only people saying SSB being gone s not even a remote possibility are those who don't want it to go.

[alakazam^]

It's featured in V-Jump's cover, which depicts this tournament, so...

[TheMikado]

It's featured in V-Jump's cover, which depicts this tournament, so...

Boo is too and he's not in the tournament. Its not like the can put a spoiler on the front cover on V-Jump's cover. Assuming the manga creators even have any say in the cover at all.

[alakazam^]

Boo is part of the team, he just got disqualified because of the paper test. Blue isn't going anywhere.

[Lord Beerus]

Dragon god Zarama has me interested. Maybe he is indeed stronger than vados or whis.

Considering how the SDB can literally grant any wish.Zarama may not only be stronger than Vados,he may be an omnipotent being

Yeah, I think he may be like Zuno in the fact that he knows everything about universe. I mean, for all intents and purposes, he is the original wish granting dragon.