Your quoting style, which you want to impose as the de the facto “proper” style of the forum as if you were a moderator, is to quote the entire previous discussion. I am not subscribing to such a lazy method that makes the posts lengthy and tedious. I quote and respond directly to the bits of the previous post of the person I am discussing with, without re-quoting the entire previous discussion like you lazily do when responding. I put your name on the first quote in my post meaning that from that point onwards anything in quotes will be referring to your points though most times I do tend to use the name on every quote and not leaving it nameless like I did in my previous post. In any case if that doesn't suit you, then tough luck. You are more than welcome to stop responding to my posts. Your responses are ill-constructed and your argumentation is weak anyway ---- resorting to cheap comebacks about quotation won't make what you say any more valid.supercat wrote:First and foremost, do you not know how to quote properly? Your quoting was off, and I had to fix it for the sake of keeping this discussion legible. It's a rather simple endeavor that I figured most people wouldn't have had any trouble with. That said, if you really don't know how to utilize it properly, I suggest you take some time to learn, as it isn't my job (or the other members') to sit here and correct your mistakes.
You forget that you invited me to stop watching Dragonball if I don't like what I see instead of criticising the non-sense behind the power-scaling which according to you and your headcanons makes perfect sense. No it doesn't make sense and your interpretation of the source material does not hold any more weight over others' despite your belief that it does.supercat wrote:Also, why would I care how much criticism the show receives? I'm not the one who created it now am I?
Still an assumption of what you think it happens. Not by any means a fact that can be used to dismiss other asumptions.supercat wrote:Engaging in logical discussions is what ultimately piques my interest; trying to squeeze everyone into some ridiculously low-balled scale makes zero sense when the show has historically depicted seemingly invincible characters getting trumped time and time again as soon as a new arc begins. So if anything, I'm following a previously established trend, whereas you're going above and beyond to downplay everyone's power.
What you fail to grasp with your conventional thinking and outdated ideas doesn't mean it is baseless.supercat wrote:I'm all for people formulating speculations and theories; but here's the problem with your post... you're dragging in facts that have not been confirmed nor explicitly mentioned. That's not really utilizing your critical thinking skills to come up with a speculation, it's called making up your own story.
Here is your problem. As I said in my first post this was probably the original intention since the BoGs movie – see Toriyama’s interview. That is why were were all lead to believe that base Goku was near SSG tier.supercat wrote:You do realize that Base Goku retained the vast majority of his SSG powers right? Toss in all the additional training that took place after his fight with Beerus, and we have no real reason to believe that Base Goku is worlds below his SSG incarnation. A few notches below at most, but nowhere near any of the fodders from the Buu arc.
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This is is a bit rich to be asked by a person who believes that Piccolo is now Super Vegetto level without elaboration. Don't you think they would have further elaborated if Piccolo ever reached SSJ Vegetto level? Oh, wait, according to you they don't need to elaborate because it is a “trend”. And what more elaboration do you need about Buu being stronger than Piccolo anyway? Buu would still retain his place in the tournament had Gohan decided to participate at the expense of Piccolo. And as Buu had always been stronger than Piccolo I don't have a reason to believe that this is not the case anymore and for it to be further elaborated. However I would ask to be further elaborated if Piccolo was chosen to participate instead of Buu. But that wasn’t what happened.supercat wrote:This discussion is becoming so redundant, I don't even know where to begin. The order in which the fighters were recruited likely has nothing to do with strength; if it did, don't you think it would have been further elaborated?
That is not what I believe personally. That is what I assumed *he* (supercat) believed. Personally I believe that SSJ3 Goku (Buu arc) is about equal to Ultimate Gohan (Buu arc) in the anime continuity of which Super exists but this is a different debate for another thread.apex_pretador wrote:Nope, more like 4-5xSpeedster wrote: mystic Gohan was like 10-20x stronger than SSJ3 Goku
