Would Dragon Ball Super borrow elements from GT?

[bleed0range]

GT if done correctly would have lasted a lot longer than a mere 64 episodes, wasn't there things that were scrapped due to ratings?
The shadow dragons would be cool to see in canon but hopefully better executed.

This is true...the rumor is that it was supposed to last over 250 episodes.

So definitely all 3 Sagas would have been longer.

But did they really actually plan out the sagas that far or did they just get through them quickly because the general public didn't seem too into them and eventually that drove the series into the ground. I always assumed the arcs were quick because once they started going, their audience wasn't receptive and so they decided to cut it short and start a new one. I felt like that started happening because the original idea, which seems to have been trying to make it more like the original DB except in space didn't work.

[Mystic Tien]

GT if done correctly would have lasted a lot longer than a mere 64 episodes, wasn't there things that were scrapped due to ratings?
The shadow dragons would be cool to see in canon but hopefully better executed.

This is true...the rumor is that it was supposed to last over 250 episodes.

The rumor is false. No one will plan to do 250 episodes right off the bat.

[johnboy1]

The rumor is false. No one will plan to do 250 episodes right off the bat.

This. The most I've ever seen a show plan to have right off the bat is Star Wars: The Clone Wars, which was touted as being around 100 episodes long before it had even started production. It eventually made 125 finished episodes over six seasons (121 normal episodes, plus four that were edited into a theatrical feature), with at least eight more episodes abandoned midway through production due to the show's cancellation.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

If I had to say I wanted anything from GT to return, I want the aspects of them reintroducing or making references to past history in the nods GT did.
Like with Super #17. #18 claimed to have a bomb inside her that would kill #17 (regardless of logic) they reminded the view that it was impossible because they removed after the Cell saga and that she must be bluffing. Its connections to the past like that, I want to see used in order to remind people that the prior arcs still hold relevance the memories and experiences in the new characters or that things are still connected and not just appearing out of no where.

[Sinestro]

I really don't want anything to be brought over or borrowed from GT, unless it was for a gag.

(Example: Pilaf and his gang becoming kids)

[shinmaru]

Only Toei & Tori know that. But I think they won't use anything from GT, because Super is set right after Buu's defeat/F and not after final chapter

[ArchedThunder]

Only Toei & Tori know that. But I think they won't use anything from GT, because Super is set right after Buu's defeat and not after final chapter

They never said that.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

I want them to make GT another universe. Or the shadow dragons at least. I mean come on,old kai stated the threat of over using the dragonballs and only the anime continuity covered this,not akira himself. Also wasn't GT supposed t be only 40 episodes? That mean it was EXTENDED not shortened. They originally weren't gonna go past Bebi.

[voltlunok]

I want them to make GT another universe. Or the shadow dragons at least. I mean come on,old kai stated the threat of over using the dragonballs and only the anime continuity covered this,not akira himself. Also wasn't GT supposed t be only 40 episodes? That mean it was EXTENDED not shortened. They originally weren't gonna go past Bebi.

No, it was meant to be much longer then it already was. The series had poor ratings and got canceled but was allowed to close out with 64 episodes. They had full plans to go past Bebi and do a bunch of stuff but that all got canned and rushed due to being cancelled. Though I'd like the shadow dragons to be addressed by Toriyama. It may be interesting to see how he'd handle it.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

I want them to make GT another universe. Or the shadow dragons at least. I mean come on,old kai stated the threat of over using the dragonballs and only the anime continuity covered this,not akira himself. Also wasn't GT supposed t be only 40 episodes? That mean it was EXTENDED not shortened. They originally weren't gonna go past Bebi.

No, it was meant to be much longer then it already was. The series had poor ratings and got canceled but was allowed to close out with 64 episodes. They had full plans to go past Bebi and do a bunch of stuff but that all got canned and rushed due to being cancelled. Though I'd like the shadow dragons to be addressed by Toriyama. It may be interesting to see how he'd handle it.

Any proof of this? because I know for a fact the opposite has been stated by many DBZ sites.

[voltlunok]

I want them to make GT another universe. Or the shadow dragons at least. I mean come on,old kai stated the threat of over using the dragonballs and only the anime continuity covered this,not akira himself. Also wasn't GT supposed t be only 40 episodes? That mean it was EXTENDED not shortened. They originally weren't gonna go past Bebi.

No, it was meant to be much longer then it already was. The series had poor ratings and got canceled but was allowed to close out with 64 episodes. They had full plans to go past Bebi and do a bunch of stuff but that all got canned and rushed due to being cancelled. Though I'd like the shadow dragons to be addressed by Toriyama. It may be interesting to see how he'd handle it.

Any proof of this? because I know for a fact the opposite has been stated by many DBZ sites.

GT was written start to the end of the Bebi arc by Aya Matsui until she had to go on maternity leave. She left plans for the remainder of GT but overall things really didn't go super great. After debuting GT quickly started dropping in ratings so I don't think Toei would give them an extension if they were losing money on GT, so it got cancelled around near the start of the Super 17 arc I believe. It was allowed to end with 64 episodes, finish out some stuff and then be done. If you wish for more info on all this I highly recommend reading the guides on Kanzenshuu. They're great and well written stuff and offer a lot of interesting insight to the series.

Now keep in mind I'm writing all this off memory and I may have mixed names and reasons up. What happened to GT is also well discussed through out the forums so you can go digging there (Just don't necro post.) and I'm sure you'll hit pay dirt.

I wouldn't take the word of other Dragon Ball sites so concretely because there are some who either only refer to the original dubs or they've never read the original manga and all that. Kanzenshuu is honestly the most trustworthy site for DB stuff I've seen even if they do show a tiny bit bias to the original Japanese version and that's OK! It's their site they can do that. But they do have the most well sourced documents and guides you'll find on dragon ball related stuff.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

I wouldn't take the word of other Dragon Ball sites so concretely because there are some who either only refer to the original dubs or they've never read the original manga and all that. Kanzenshuu is honestly the most trustworthy site for DB stuff I've seen even if they do show a tiny bit bias to the original Japanese version and that's OK! It's their site they can do that. But they do have the most well sourced documents and guides you'll find on dragon ball related stuff.[/quote]

But that's the thing,I don't think that's anywhere on the site. In fact I think kanzenshuu says the opposite. That it was meant to be 40 episode but went to 64 which is an extension. It was either the guides or the forums,but I think the GT had bad ratings thing is fan made up. There's no proof of it anywhere and doesn't make sense as GT is highly loved in japan along with ball and Z.

[voltlunok]

But that's the thing,I don't think that's anywhere on the site. In fact I think kanzenshuu says the opposite. That it was meant to be 40 episode but went to 64 which is an extension. It was either the guides or the forums,but I think the GT had bad ratings thing is fan made up. There's no proof of it anywhere and doesn't make sense as GT is highly loved in japan along with ball and Z.

GT had bad ratings. This is a fact. Here are GT's ratings over the course of the show and following will also be comparisons to Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z.

Spoiler:

GT
Average: 14.6%

Maximum: 19.7% (Episode 02)

Minimum: 9.6% (Episode 21)

Z

Average: 20.5%

Maximum: 27.5% (Episode 218)

Minimum: 12.1% (Episode 273)

Dragon Ball

Average: 21.2%

Maximum: 29.5% (Episode 047)

Minimum: 13.7% (Episode 110)

All information gained from Kanzenshuu. These ratings are also easy to find public information so no, fans aren't making anything up. I like GT and all but it had it's issues. Now sadly I'm gonna stop here because this is going way off topic from the OP.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

But that's the thing,I don't think that's anywhere on the site. In fact I think kanzenshuu says the opposite. That it was meant to be 40 episode but went to 64 which is an extension. It was either the guides or the forums,but I think the GT had bad ratings thing is fan made up. There's no proof of it anywhere and doesn't make sense as GT is highly loved in japan along with ball and Z.

GT had bad ratings. This is a fact. Here are GT's ratings over the course of the show and following will also be comparisons to Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z.

Spoiler:

GT
Average: 14.6%

Maximum: 19.7% (Episode 02)

Minimum: 9.6% (Episode 21)

Z

Average: 20.5%

Maximum: 27.5% (Episode 218)

Minimum: 12.1% (Episode 273)

Dragon Ball

Average: 21.2%

Maximum: 29.5% (Episode 047)

Minimum: 13.7% (Episode 110)

All information gained from Kanzenshuu. These ratings are also easy to find public information so no, fans aren't making anything up. I like GT and all but it had it's issues. Now sadly I'm gonna stop here because this is going way off topic from the OP.

Yes let's no t get of topic of Super. But if you wouldn't mind telling me where you found that on kanzenshuu? (in a private message so we don't flood the super forums) that'dbe great,I'm having trouble believing this. Thanks.

[Hellspawn28]

Perfect Files hinted Pan and Bra going SSj.

Will new Super Saiyans emerge?
Pan has inherited Saiyan blood and posses high battle power!! If the conditions introduced on the right-hand page [see above] are met, Pan and even Vegeta’s daughter Bra should be able to transform into Super Saiyans!! When the evilest of dangers arrives, perhaps the first female Super Saiyans in history will appear!?

It sounds like a lot more for GT was plan, but where drop on the last minute. The Perfect Files also hinted that Planet Saiya was still out there in the universe and talked about the original Legendary Super Saiyan. We could had something leading to that after the Shadow Dragons. However I do like how things are now. I think GT doing poorly made Toei and Shueisha want to give the franchise a long break. It took until 2008 when we saw Goku and the others in something animated again outside of video game intros.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Perfect Files hinted Pan and Bra going SSj.

Will new Super Saiyans emerge?
Pan has inherited Saiyan blood and posses high battle power!! If the conditions introduced on the right-hand page [see above] are met, Pan and even Vegeta’s daughter Bra should be able to transform into Super Saiyans!! When the evilest of dangers arrives, perhaps the first female Super Saiyans in history will appear!?

It sounds like a lot more for GT was plan, but where drop on the last minute. The Perfect Files also hinted that Planet Saiya was still out there in the universe and talked about the original Legendary Super Saiyan. We could had something leading to that after the Shadow Dragons. However I do like how things are now. I think GT doing poorly made Toei and Shueisha want to give the franchise a long break. It took until 2008 when we saw Goku and the others in something animated again outside of video game intros.

Which volume said that? Because I can't imagine something past Omega, he really is an end all villain. DO you mean planet Vegeta?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

No, he doesn't mean Vegeta. Planet Plant isn't the Saiyan homeworld in GT, Plan to Eradicate the (Super) Saiyans, and presumably Episode of Bardock as well. Here is some lite reading for you on the first one from the Perfect Files.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

No, he doesn't mean Vegeta. Planet Plant isn't the Saiyan homeworld in GT, Plan to Eradicate the (Super) Saiyans, and presumably Episode of Bardock as well. Here is some lite reading for you on the first one from the Perfect Files.

Read that stuff,didn't thank you for it.Thanks for the link!

[Ssgvegito30]

I think it would be amazing if in u6 tuffles are evil and they try to invade planet salad while goku & vegeta are visiting their home world with kabe....

[MajinPlanet]

When I read the plot details of Super that they would travel to different universes running into maybe different versions of themselves GT was the first thing I thought of. What would be the best way to bring GT back, make it canon? Well they could very easily say that GT was another universe. Which would explain some of the massive plot holes the anime had. Would fans like that? Who knows, I didn't mind GT too much. If you forget all about Z and just go with the backstory the show gives it's not too bad. I think if they where to say do a saga that had GT elements, either the Shadow Dragons or Babi would be the best ones to use.

I think the idea behind the Shadow Dragons, overusing the Dragonball was a great idea. It was just poorly done and I think if they took their time to build it up over the course of the show and not just one episode okay well we beat the last bad guy need a new one. That was the biggest issue I had with GT was the show didn't flow, it was sort of like after Baby or Babe? Which ever people go about calling it. It flowed from the black star saga rather nicely to be honest. Super 17 was a stupid idea. I don't think it will work given in canon (Revival of F) shows us that they aren't just hanging around HELL that Frieza and Cell aren't hanging out together. They are all part of their own hells apart of each other. Which means Gero and Muu would not be able to build another 17. Of course the episode when Goku goes to Hell to defeat them all again wasn't cannon in Z so.

The all black star dragon balls I'd say unless they say GT is say Universe 4 or something they should stay away form using them. I mean they are adding Super Dragon Balls which I think they could very easily tie in to the Shadow Dragons with the Super Dragon Balls. Baby would tie up the story of Planet Vegeta. The problem is both Goku and Vegeta are God's now and who's to know if they will make Gohan cooler again and then you have Goten who can go SS3. Piccolo has gotten a lot stronger now as well. I can't see Baby really being a threat unless they seriously updated him.