I don't understand why Toriyama doesn't let the girls fight

[WittyUsername]

I honestly think the biggest offender of not allowing women to fight in the series came in the form of 18 staying behind to look after Marron, while Kuririn went off to fight Freeza's goons. Considering that 18 is a lot stronger than her husband, wouldn't it make more sense for her to go and fight Freeza, while Kuririn stayed behind to look after Marron? Aside from that, there's also the fact that none of the fighters in the current tournament arc are female.

Granted, Vados is a bit of a step in the right direction, but we're probably never going to see her take part in an actual fight. Plus, she also comes off as a bit of a jerk compared to her brother.

Kuririn just come out of retirement.It's the perfect opportunity for him to fight again.So he can't leave the chance.And it's not like Freeza's mooks are strong anyway so it doesn't matter if 18 is way stronger than Kuririn because Kuririn alone can solo them all.

As far as the Super anime was concerned, Kuririn seemed pretty surprised at how much stronger he was than Freeza's soldiers. Besides, since they weren't aware of how strong Freeza was at the time, they probably would have assumed that 18 would have stood a better chance against Freeza than Kuririn.

[Khin]

No he wasn't surprised.Tenshinhan,Roshi and the others knew that Freeza's mooks are nothing to him.Kuririn just got traumatized at that time and was very nervous.And before leaving,Kuririn also stated that they have Gohan and Boo in their team.So i doubt they would need 18.

[TheatreStyleKai]

I must echo the sentiments already expressed here; I was flabbergasted that they didn't allow No. 18 to take part in RoF. I mean they pulled the Muten Roshi out of retirement for christsakes, when they could have easily sent him, Tenshinhan, Kuririn, Jaco, and probably Gohan home and easily replaced them all with No. 18 by herself.

As for Videl, I'm not terribly surprised she retired early. She was a teenage tomboy trying to live up to her father's legacy, and now that she knows he's not really a super hero that probably takes a lot of pressure off her shoulders. Plus after that beating from Spopovitch I would be rethinking my life choices too.

[Khin]

I must echo the sentiments already expressed here; I was flabbergasted that they didn't allow No. 18 to take part in RoF. I mean they pulled the Muten Roshi out of retirement for christsakes, when they could have easily sent him, Tenshinhan, Kuririn, Jaco, and probably Gohan home and easily replaced them all with No. 18 by herself.

As for Videl, I'm not terribly surprised she retired early. She was a teenage tomboy trying to live up to her father's legacy, and now that she knows he's not really a super hero that probably takes a lot of pressure off her shoulders. Plus after that beating from Spopovitch I would be rethinking my life choices too.

It's the same as leaving out Chaozu and Yamcha.Though i agree with the VIdel part.Her starting to become soft once he knew that Gohan was really the one who killed Cell and not his father strongly implies it.

[WittyUsername]

No he wasn't surprised.Tenshinhan,Roshi and the others knew that Freeza's mooks are nothing to him.Kuririn just got traumatized at that time and was very nervous.And before leaving,Kuririn also stated that they have Gohan and Boo in their team.So i doubt they would need 18.

They wouldn't have needed Kuririn either. It just strikes me as odd that he would go ahead and join the fight against Freeza, while 18 was told to stay behind. It seems too much like a "stay in the kitchen" scenario to me.

[Khin]

They wouldn't have needed Kuririn either. It just strikes me as odd that he would go ahead and join the fight against Freeza, while 18 was told to stay behind. It seems too much like a "stay in the kitchen" scenario to me.

As i said before.Kuririn just come out of retirement.So it's the perfect opportunity for him to fight again against Freeza's weak mooks and he can't miss it.And if 18 come with him,who would look out for Maron ?

[TheatreStyleKai]

And if 18 come with him,who would look out for Maron ?

Uncle No. 17.

[Hellspawn28]

I think Toei and Bandai probably feels like that girl characters won't sell well with young boys.

[Khin]

I think Toei and Bandai probably feels like that girl characters won't sell well with young boys.

I don't think TOEI can do anything if Toriyama will decide to have a female fighter.And i doubt Toriyama gives a shit about merchandise sells either.

And if 18 come with him,who would look out for Maron ?

Uncle No. 17.

Dude got his own family and he probably don't even know where the hell Kuririn and 18 lives.

[TheMikado]

Well you had 18, then in the Buu Saga you had Videl. Super .... Vados I guess?? GT, you have Pan wanting to fight everyone and 18 gets in on the action too in GT. Plus they have a female dragon at the end.

[DBZAOTA482]

Well you had 18, then in the Buu Saga you had Videl. Super .... Vados I guess?? GT, you have Pan wanting to fight everyone and 18 gets in on the action too in GT. Plus they have a female dragon at the end.

What's that make Chi-Chi, though... chopped liver? She's at least 5x the fighter Videl and her mentally challenged daughter are.

[Kuririn Fan]

Well you had 18, then in the Buu Saga you had Videl. Super .... Vados I guess?? GT, you have Pan wanting to fight everyone and 18 gets in on the action too in GT. Plus they have a female dragon at the end.

What's that make Chi-Chi, though... chopped liver? She's at least 5x the fighter Videl and her mentally challenged daughter are.

Chi Chi is Earthling, and we know what happened to even strongest of them. And that "mentally challenged daughter" has Saiyan blood. Pan-chan <3

[ABED]

What's that make Chi-Chi, though... chopped liver? She's at least 5x the fighter Videl and her mentally challenged daughter are.

Arguably more technique, but not as innately powerful. Pan's young, so she can be forgiven for being, well, a kid. It's not the same as Gohan or Goku in their youth. She grew up in civilization and not during war time.

[DBZAOTA482]

Chi Chi is Earthling, and we know what happened to even strongest of them. And that "mentally challenged daughter" has Saiyan blood. Pan-chan <3

The dude left out Chi-Chi like she wasn't a real fighter even though she's legit the strongest woman in Dragon Ball.

Arguably more technique, but not as innately powerful. Pan's young, so she can be forgiven for being, well, a kid. It's not the same as Gohan or Goku in their youth. She grew up in civilization and not during war time.

I know, but the point is the guy left Chi-Chi out the discussion yet mentioned Videl (who's only established as being stronger than Mr. Satan) and Pan (who's just a spoiled brat with undeserved amount of power) like they're anything worth looking at.

[ABED]

I do think Pan is worth looking at, but power isn't deserved, it just is. It's not like they made her able to fight the big bads.

[Kuririn Fan]

DBZAOTA, i know that you're a Chi Chi fan, but be realistic for a sec. She had 1 (arguably gag) fight where she got married and transitioned into (annoying) wife and mother.

[DBZAOTA482]

DBZAOTA, i know that you're a Chi Chi fan, but be realistic for a sec. She had 1 (arguably gag) fight where she got married and transitioned into (annoying) wife and mother.

I am being realistic. Videl only had one fight where it was against someone was (barely) above human level and got one of the most infamously one-sided beat downs as a result.

Chi-Chi as a kid did more with her helmet than Videl did the entire series.

I do think Pan is worth looking at, but power isn't deserved, it just is. It's not like they made her able to fight the big bads.

Didn't necessarily say she wasn't worth looking at just that she wasn't much of a fighter raw powers aside.

[ABED]

I am being realistic. Videl only had one fight where it was against someone was (barely) above human level and got one of the most infamously one-sided beat downs as a result.

He was definitely way above normal human levels.

[DBZAOTA482]

I am being realistic. Videl only had one fight where it was against someone was (barely) above human level and got one of the most infamously one-sided beat downs as a result.

He was definitely way above normal human levels.

Not quite... he did gain a significant power-up from the majin charm but he barely had any control over his powers as Goku himself noted. Physically he's still a weakling even Mr. Satan wipe the floor with given Videl was smacking him around early on during their fight even dealing great damage to him even if he wasn't feeling it and keep in mind this is a girl who uses standard gym equipment for training. The main reason she started losing in the first place is cuz her stamina capped out on her.

I'm sure even 21st Budokai Jackie Chun could easily take out Majin Spopovich.

[ABED]

Not quite... he did gain a significant power-up from the majin charm but he barely had any control over his powers as Goku himself noted. Physically he's still a weakling even Mr. Satan wipe the floor with given Videl was smacking him around early on during their fight even dealing great damage to him even if he wasn't feeling it and keep in mind this is a girl who uses standard gym equipment for training. The main reason she started losing in the first place is cuz her stamina capped out on her.

That wasn't damage. If he can't feel it or register it, it's not damaging. Yes, Mr. Satan beat him, but that's before the power up. Gohan says she's stronger than her father.

I'm sure even 21st Budokai Jackie Chun could easily take out Spopovich with the majin charm.

Muten Roshi was also far above normal limits.