"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Grimlock]

Everything seems to be rushed. Which is a good thing actually because this tournament must end as soon as possible. Too bad the manga just went until the last episode of the anime. Nothing new apparently.

[Ajay]

Thanks to TheDevilsCorpse, we now have a bit more info on Frost's portrayal.

So it seems that Frost isn't explicitly portrayed as outright evil. No mention of space pirates, secret schemes, or any such nonsense. Frost simply uses his needle to end the fights due to feeling threatened by his opponents. When confronted by Champa, he says that he was in a hurry to finish the matches due there being no prizes (money or otherwise). Only when the referee goes to check his needles do we get any hint of his nature; he says he should be glad he didn't kill him.

I vastly prefer this. It's far more subtle than the ridiculous Freeza 2.0 narrative they spun in the anime.

I wonder what's Toriyama's version of events.

[ArchedThunder]

Re: Super's manga cover

It's so cute! (☆▽☆)
Definitely gonna pick up a copy once it's listed.

You can already pre-order it from CDJapan.

You can get it super cheap on Amazon.jp

Thanks to TheDevilsCorpse, we now have a bit more info on Frost's portrayal.

So it seems that Frost isn't explicitly portrayed as outright evil. No mention of space pirates, secret schemes, or any such nonsense. Frost simply uses his needle to end the fights due to feeling threatened by his opponents. When confronted by Champa, he says that he was in a hurry to finish the matches due there being no prizes (money or otherwise). Only when the referee goes to check his needles do we get any hint of his nature; he says he should be glad he didn't kill him.

I vastly prefer this. It's far more subtle than the ridiculous Freeza 2.0 narrative they spun in the anime.

I wonder what's Toriyama's version of events.

Sounds a hell of a lot like Toyotaro just didn't have enough pages to put the reveal about Frost in.

[kinisking]

Nah Gohan is just secretly an uber badass now. When he busts out SSJ he'll be just around Goku and Vegeta's Super Saiyan selves now, or maybe Super Duper Gohan with a saiyaman outfit.

Well I'd be happy and annoyed. Happy is that he's somewhat potentially relevant. Annoyed because the reason is dumb. But hey with all the PL wanking going around lately, I guess that means I can wank Gohan even further as an SSJ right? The shiny golden Super Gohan in his saiyaman outfit doing poses, and being about on par with SSJ Goku/Vegeta. Yes I Saiya Can!

I don't mind huge power gains. But a reasonable explanation makes it so much better. Freeza could have said that he had his potential unlocked by someone or something, and then went on to train that further for 4 months (preferablly with a teacher). That would have made ROF so much better. Gohan getting to goku and vegeta's level would be understandable with 8 months of training if it was with whis. For piccolo, make it something about the namekian book of legends or have u6 some powerful namekians be evil. That way he could absorb them to maintain peace

[Ajay]

Sounds a hell of a lot like Toyotaro just didn't have enough pages to put the reveal about Frost in.

I mean, that's probably the most likely scenario, but I much prefer having hints that he's not quite what he seems to be as opposed to the, "Hey guys, Freeza's here again!" thing from last week's episode.

Still would have preferred him to be straight good, though.

[dbzfan7]

Nah Gohan is just secretly an uber badass now. When he busts out SSJ he'll be just around Goku and Vegeta's Super Saiyan selves now, or maybe Super Duper Gohan with a saiyaman outfit.

Well I'd be happy and annoyed. Happy is that he's somewhat potentially relevant. Annoyed because the reason is dumb. But hey with all the PL wanking going around lately, I guess that means I can wank Gohan even further as an SSJ right? The shiny golden Super Gohan in his saiyaman outfit doing poses, and being about on par with SSJ Goku/Vegeta. Yes I Saiya Can!

I don't mind huge power gains. But a reasonable explanation makes it so much better. Freeza could have said that he had his potential unlocked by someone or something, and then went on to train that further for 4 months (preferablly with a teacher). That would have made ROF so much better. Gohan getting to goku and vegeta's level would be understandable with 8 months of training if it was with whis. For piccolo, make it something about the namekian book of legends or have u6 some powerful namekians be evil. That way he could absorb them to maintain peace

I agree. I prefer actual explanations instead of just I trained. It adds more to what the characters went through. The Freeza example alone I hoped would be Champa or Vados doing the teaching. Would have been a great way to tie the next arc into F.

[alakazam^]

You can get it super cheap on Amazon.jp

Doesn't Amazon add 300 yen for no reason, though?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Sounds a hell of a lot like Toyotaro just didn't have enough pages to put the reveal about Frost in.

I mean, that's probably the most likely scenario, but I much prefer having hints that he's not quite what he seems to be as opposed to the, "Hey guys, Freeza's here again!" thing from last week's episode.

Still would have preferred him to be straight good, though.

It's definitely a distinct possibility. Though, (I think) Julian once said that character limit on Twitter is barely enough to say what you want to say about a single event in English, but in Japanese he can basically write about his entire day. If Toriyama was behind Frost's backstory that we saw in the anime and Toyotaro wanted to include that, he almost certainly would have been able to make it fit without really altering the panels or speech bubbles too much.

[Chuquita]

You can get it super cheap on Amazon.jp

Doesn't Amazon add 300 yen for no reason, though?

Which one has the cheaper shipping? I usually use CDJapan and SAL (where the cheapest shipping is 700 yen).

[LightBing]

Sounds a hell of a lot like Toyotaro just didn't have enough pages to put the reveal about Frost in.

I mean, that's probably the most likely scenario, but I much prefer having hints that he's not quite what he seems to be as opposed to the, "Hey guys, Freeza's here again!" thing from last week's episode.

Still would have preferred him to be straight good, though.

That could've been said in one or two speech bubbles. In the anime it was built as a big surprise, in the episode before the reveal, we had the flashback and the mention of space peace prizes and what have you. Really appears the anime add it or at least exaggerate greatly from a rudimentary: he's not what he sees to be.

[Kishido]

OK, so no need to read the manga anymore... not with this long ass waiting

[kinisking]

Piccolo's close to base god goku / vegeta though.

Base God Goku and Vegeta are on par with 4th form Freeza after his training.

Piccolo is weaker then Ginyu/Tagoma who's way below 1st form Freeza.

Piccolo at the very most is on par with Base Goku and Vegeta during the Buu arc and even that's a big stretch.

That's not true at all. Base goku and Vegeta apparently weren't even freeza level according to beerus. They definitely weren't semi perfect cell level in base, and that's the bare mimimum piccolo should be after training with gohan and by himself for 12+ years after cell

[alakazam^]

It's definitely a distinct possibility. Though, (I think) Julian once said that character limit on Twitter is barely enough to say what you want to say about a single event in English, but in Japanese he can basically write about his entire day. If Toriyama was behind Frost' backstory that we saw in the anime and Toyotaro wanted to include that, he almost certainly would have been able to make it fit without really altering the panels or speech bubbles too much.

Maybe he's waiting for the Vegeta fight to reveal Frost's background. It seems too big a deal for it to have been Toei's idea.

Which one has the cheaper shipping? I usually use CDJapan and SAL (where the cheapest shipping is 700 yen).

I have no idea. I hardly used Amazon because it wasn't worth it but nowadays I don't know if something changed.

[VegettoEX]

Which one has the cheaper shipping? I usually use CDJapan and SAL (where the cheapest shipping is 700 yen).

Ordering JUST the one volume of Super and with the default FedEx International shipping (so you'll get it in ~2-3 days), it's ~$11.85 total from Amazon Japan right now.

[Retan]

I don't know it sure seems like the anime is winging it more then the manga, I know that's not really the case but...

[MajinMan]

Pretty bland chapter if you ask me. The Piccolo vs Frost fight felt even more of a throw away here than in the anime. The anime handled things better.

[Onibaku]

The anime fight of Piccolo vs Frost looked like a gem compared to this. LoL! It made Piccolo look like an idiot which is sad. No need to follow manga anymore tbh. Its monthly, plus nothing new on it. I will still read the translated version though

[Wezenheim]

Which one has the cheaper shipping? I usually use CDJapan and SAL (where the cheapest shipping is 700 yen).

Ordering JUST the one volume of Super and with the default FedEx International shipping (so you'll get it in ~2-3 days), it's ~$11.85 total from Amazon Japan right now.

I'm going to need to get on that, thanks for the info! I had no idea how quick the default global shipping was when I was looking at the checkout page out of curiosity. That's definitely a good deal to me.

SAL is killing me right now. A couple weeks later and I'm still waiting for my Super History Book/April V Jump. I expected this to be the case but the anticipation is awful because I can't really track the order haha.

[Chuquita]

Re: Amazon international shipping

Would I have to be at home to sign for it when it arrives, or would they just drop it off in the mailbox?

[VegettoEX]

I said FedEx, but thinking about it, my Amazon Japan orders are the ones that come DHL. Lately they've been sending a text with a heads-up about upcoming deliveries, and it links to a mobile website where you can digitally sign and release the package if you're not home.