So Dragon Ball Super is a midquel right?

[Deathbringer]

A 'midquel' is kind of like the missing link between a sequel and a prequel, where a sequel is a story that takes place after the ending of the story told before it and a prequel is a story that takes place before the beginning of the story told before it a midquel is a story that takes place before the ending of the story told before it, or rather "in the middle" (except for the fact that "before the ending" doesn't mean the exact middle).

I say this because I haven't really seen anyone call Dragon Ball Super a midquel but the thought occurred to me that it (and to a lesser extent, Battle of Gods and Resurrection F) might count as a midquel seeing as it takes place after the ending to the Majin Boo saga but BEFORE the actual proper ending to the manga. The only thing that makes me think it might not be a midquel is because there might be people who think of the final part of the story as being an epilogue with the ending being the ending to the Majin Boo saga, but the manga doesn't actually refer to that final chapter as an epilogue. I also don't know if something that takes place before an epilogue would still count as a midquel (it probably does but it would all come down to the difference between an ending and an epilogue) either way it feels wrong to call Super a sequel to Dragon Ball when it takes place before the ending, making it a midquel. In short: GT would count as a sequel to Dragon Ball but Super would count as a midquel.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

I'm not sure if I would call Super a missing link, as of now it hasn't helped to explain anything in EOZ. You can watch the series from Pilaf to Buu and not miss anything relevant to the character arc of Goku. Super will simply be something extra.

That said, by yourdictionary's definition I would say yes, because it takes place within Z's timeframe, not before or after.

http://www.yourdictionary.com/midquel

A work that is set within the timeframe of a previous work, rather than before or after it.
Read more at http://www.yourdictionary.com/midquel#t ... TqOmRKu.99

I think the reason it's not really brought up much is because it's such an obscure term.

[Pantalones]

I suspect the main reason people refer to Super as a sequel to Dragonball/DBZ is because they aren't aware of the term "midquel"... and more importantly, because "midquel" sounds really, really stupid. >_<

But anyway, considering how little of DBZ actually takes place in the "ten years after Buu" ending bit, Super basically is a sequel. The very end of the manga/anime is really more of an epilogue than anything else, regardless of whether it's "officially" called that or not -- basically the whole point of it is to show all the characters again and how they've aged (or not) over 10 years, and show that yep, Goku's wish that Buu could be reincarnated as a good guy actually came true.

[Kamiccolo9]

By definition, a "Midquel" (and prequels as well) is just a subcategory of sequel, so referring to it as the latter is correct.

[Gaffer Tape]

By definition, a "Midquel" (and prequels as well) is just a subcategory of sequel, so referring to it as the latter is correct.

Thank you for this. I can't tell you how much it annoys me when people get this wrong and, for example, think of a prequel as the opposite of a sequel. "Oh, a sequel comes after, so a prequel comes before. Therefore, Star Wars is a prequel to The Empire Strikes Back!" Nooooooo! In order for something to a prequel or a midquel or any other -quel, it has to be a sequel.

[Danfun64]

IMO, I personally think that BOG and Super retcon EOZ, because Oob being toe to toe with SSGSS Goku makes no sense.

[Kunzait_83]

In fairness, Super would be set after the vast, vast lion's share of Z is well and over with. All you're basically left with that Super is set prior to is what amounts to the briefest bit of an epilogue/coda tacked onto the very tail-most end (albeit a very, very important one thematically). This is also assuming you're not counting GT, because at this point I think its plenty fair to say that Super itself isn't counting GT either.

[Danfun64]

You're right. If EOZ has to go in order for Super to fit, so must GT. Then again, GT was never completely "canon".

[TheGreatness25]

IMO, I personally think that BOG and Super retcon EOZ, because Oob being toe to toe with SSGSS Goku makes no sense.

But he's not going toe-to-toe with Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku, he's going head-to-head with base Goku... and losing. Goku being excited at Oob's potential and what he could become if he were trained properly does not interfere with Dragon Ball Super. I would find that to be a pointless modification to the end of Z.

[TheShadowEmperor8055]

I guess calling it a "midquel" is accurate.

By definition, a "Midquel" (and prequels as well) is just a subcategory of sequel, so referring to it as the latter is correct.

Thank you for this. I can't tell you how much it annoys me when people get this wrong and, for example, think of a prequel as the opposite of a sequel. "Oh, a sequel comes after, so a prequel comes before. Therefore, Star Wars is a prequel to The Empire Strikes Back!" Nooooooo! In order for something to a prequel or a midquel or any other -quel, it has to be a sequel.

This. And the Star Wars original trilogy is a great film series. But yeah, can't be a prequel or a midquel without some type of sequel.

[buutenks]

Well, so far super is taking in account of the eoz. Since goku stated that he asked for kid buu to be reincarnated.

Plus uub fighting base goku and giving him some 'trouble' doesnt really contradict super.

[Cipher]

You're right. If EOZ has to go in order for Super to fit, so must GT. Then again, GT was never completely "canon".

It actually still lines up with the end of the manga right now. GT, on the other hand, would take some massive changes to set up at this point, and I doubt Toriyama was thinking about it at all when writing this story. We can safely assume it and Super aren't compatible.

[djcoopdawg]

Given what is happening right now, the future presence of Uub at the EOZ seems very unimportant now. It is still very plausible to fit in the timeline still. Uub has been mentioned in Super as well. However GT has very little credibility. The lack of god power and going back to super saiyan 3 make it more difficult to fit in GT. There could always be reasons to explain the absence of super saiyan God, but it definitely at this moment seems that GT is going to be completely ignored and "scrapped" from the timeline. The fact that it is referenced as an alternate universe/timeline in the video games gives a nice explanation for those that may be concerned or are looking for a reason.

EDIT: Also note that Kabito and Supreme Kai are unfused now.... unless they get fused again for GT lol
EDIT 2: Also Pilaf group are now kids... unless they wish for rapid old age for GT lol

[Saturnine]

Given what is happening right now, the future presence of Uub at the EOZ seems very unimportant now. It is still very plausible to fit in the timeline still. Uub has been mentioned in Super as well. However GT has very little credibility. The lack of god power and going back to super saiyan 3 make it more difficult to fit in GT. There could always be reasons to explain the absence of super saiyan God, but it definitely at this moment seems that GT is going to be completely ignored and "scrapped" from the timeline. The fact that it is referenced as an alternate universe/timeline in the video games gives a nice explanation for those that may be concerned or are looking for a reason.

EDIT: Also note that Kabito and Supreme Kai are unfused now.... unless they get fused again for GT lol
EDIT 2: Also Pilaf group are now kids... unless they wish for rapid old age for GT lol

Yeah, I think it's been made clear enough that no one even cares about reconciling things with GT as of right now. Except maybe some sad fan souls