Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Bullza]

Maybe the fight ends in a draw and they both go out of the tournament.

[dbzfan7]

Well one person translated that Cabba fights evenly with base Vegeta, and says he can't transform. So I bet Vegeta makes Cabba transform, they fight, then Vegeta goes SSJB to end the match quickly. Again this is a tournament with no real breaks. So Vegeta would want to conserve his stamina if the fight gets too tough.

Episode 38 seems to be translated as Hit being the next fighter, so it's probably gonna be over in 1 Ep. I'm certain Vegeta stomps and then loses to Hit.

[Birusu16]

Don't see that happening at all. Aside from the fact that Cabba's completely outmatched against SSB Vegeta, the next episode is entirely Vegeta vs Cabba and there's absolutely no mention of Cabba in the episode after that. And for the most part the episode titles have been spot on when it comes to the content of the episode and said content almost always fills up the entire episode. No fight thus far has went into an episode where the episode title wasn't about them and I don't see that changing here.

They didn't mention anything after Cabba because they don't want to spoil the events.The same how they didn't show anything about Frost in episode 32 NEP.And who say's Cabba will be wrecked by Blue Vegeta ?

If they didn't want to spoil events then they wouldn't reveal episode titles weeks in advance that tell us who wins and who loses. Cabba isn't beating Vegeta. I guarantee it.

Uh logic? Cabba's a SSJ and was, at best, fighting evenly with SSJ Vegeta in the preview. He has no chance against SSB Vegeta who's far stronger than his SSJ self. Unless he somehow receives another power-up mid fight (a god power-up at that) that shouldn't even be possible then he has no chance.

The way this is going is as predictable as it gets.

What if Cabba beats Vegeta?

Not happening. Considering the episode after the next one has to do with Hit according to the episode titles a few weeks back means Cabba will only get one episode, so he's going to lose to Vegeta. I kind of figured that'd happen seeing as they likely want to hype Hit by having him defeat SSB Vegeta.

Goku can beat Cabba mid episode and then face Hit.

Already explained this in one of my previous posts why I don't see that happening at all.

[Hugo Boss]

That was when Goku and Vegeta were choosing the fighters who would enter their team. First, the Boos. Then, Piccolo and Gohan. Vegeta even argued that Gohan was stronger than Piccolo, so power is his main criterion.

That was before they saw piccolo and gohan training tho.

Still, if piccolo didnt gain much power then it means base goku has suddenly become much much weaker or he was holding back a ton, which wouldnt make sense considering he went ssj.

So only conclusion is that final form frost is above base goku who is above good buu and in turn so is piccolo.

That or the 2 base theory is real ^^

Goku and Vegeta saw Gohan and Piccolo training and yet they did not notice any significant change, which is to be expected when Dragon Ball characters become more powerful. Piccolo trained silently for 3 days, so he could have refined his strategies and calmed his mind to face stronger guys 4 days after.

I don't think Goku has got weaker or was holding back nor I subscribe to that 2 base theory. I simply don't believe he is all that strong. Boo is in a completely different level from these characters, otherwise it would make no sense Piccolo wasting so much time focusing on the success of Goten and Trunks to defeat Boo back then, if he himself would have the job done in a few months training in RoSaT. Furthermore, from Ep. 37 preview, it seems Super Saiyan God is a realm above a normal Saiyan and a Super Saiyan.

[LowRyder2005]

Base Cabba looks a good deal weaker than Base Vegeta from the preview, so it already looks slightly improbable he can beat Super Saiyan Vegeta as he is.

All in all, you'd need one heck of a plot-device to make him jump to Super Saiyan Blue tier.

... Uh, all right, guess it was obvious enough for other people to point that out before me.

[dbzfan7]

from Ep. 37 preview, it seems Super Saiyan God is a realm above a normal Saiyan and a Super Saiyan.

This is why I don't like the SSJ forms including god, having tiny boosts theory. It cheapens them. SSJ is supposed to be on a whole other level, while SSJ God is supposed to be in a whole other realm. Being a single digit multiplication to me just makes them less impressive. Not that they can't be and that turns out to be the case, I just think that'd be bad. They're supposed to be grand forms, not tiny boosts.

[Bullza]

Well SSJ was supposed to be equal to SSJG in Goku's case (same should be true for Vegeta) and SSJB is supposed to be stronger than SSJG but it can't be that much more powerful.

If SSJ Cabba is on par with SSJ Vegeta so in other words he's also God tier then SSJB Vegeta shouldn't be that far above SSJ Cabba.

It should be the difference between SSJB and SSJG shouldn't it?

[dbzfan7]

Well SSJ was supposed to be equal to SSJG in Goku's case (same should be true for Vegeta) and SSJB is supposed to be stronger than SSJG but it can't be that much more powerful.

If SSJ Cabba is on par with SSJ Vegeta so in other words he's also God tier then SSJB Vegeta shouldn't be that far above SSJ Cabba.

It should be the difference between SSJB and SSJG shouldn't it?

I go by base/SSJ isn't that special. I consider SSJB the only time they tap into the god power since it's the only time they can't be sensed. Back then the god power festered in Goku and that's why his base and SSJ were basically the same, since he was drawing from the same pool of power, and why going SSJ2/3 wouldn't make a difference. It's why despite going base, he could punch away Beerus' attack like nothing was different. Now he draws from the god power via SSJ Blue. I'm not saying I am right, that's just what I go by so far. Super doesn't explain jack shit, so really no one is right til they spell it out. It also makes gains less ridiculous, and gaps not as ludicrous, which is why I like my theory, which is in no way confirmed fact.

[Birusu16]

Well SSJ was supposed to be equal to SSJG in Goku's case (same should be true for Vegeta) and SSJB is supposed to be stronger than SSJG but it can't be that much more powerful.

If SSJ Cabba is on par with SSJ Vegeta so in other words he's also God tier then SSJB Vegeta shouldn't be that far above SSJ Cabba.

It should be the difference between SSJB and SSJG shouldn't it?

I go by base/SSJ isn't that special. I consider SSJB the only time they tap into the god power since it's the only time they can't be sensed. Back then the god power festered in Goku and that's why his base and SSJ were basically the same, since he was drawing from the same pool of power, and why going SSJ2/3 wouldn't make a difference. Now he draws from it via SSJ Blue. I'm not saying I am right, that's just what I go by so far. Super doesn't explain jack shit, so really no one is right til they spell it out.

I go by this as well. The very fact that SSB is continuously portrayed to be on a completely different level compared to base and SSJ just gives me more reason to believe this. According to the episode, Goku and Vegeta are saving SSB for Hit as they can seemingly tell he's much more powerful than the other U6 fighters. I don't see a reason for that if SSB isn't far more powerful than their base and ssj forms.

[Bullza]

There could have been something to base/SSJ being on par with SSJG in Battle of Gods being a one time deal but I think Resurrection F would make that confusing with base Goku being far above his SSJ3 self prior to that.

I'm hoping now that SSJ Vegeta beats SSJ Cabba and the SSJB scene was for Hit instead. It'd certainly make it less confusing than it already is.

[Khin]

I'm hoping now that SSJ Vegeta beats SSJ Cabba and the SSJB scene was for Hit instead. It'd certainly make it less confusing than it already is.

If you look closely on the preview.You can see SSJ Cabba's eyes having SSGSS Vegeta on it.

[dbzfan7]

There could have been something to base/SSJ being on par with SSJG in Battle of Gods being a one time deal but I think Resurrection F would make that confusing with base Goku being far above his SSJ3 self prior to that.

I'm not sure he really is. Final Form Freeza could be anywhere really. Even if that is the case, his base form could be there, but still be vastly below SJJ/God. Considering how base Goku fights Oob later, it'd fit well if he was at SSJ3 level in base.

[Hugo Boss]

I'm hoping now that SSJ Vegeta beats SSJ Cabba and the SSJB scene was for Hit instead. It'd certainly make it less confusing than it already is.

It seems Cabba overpowers Vegeta when they use the same forms. Vegeta uses Super Saiyan against normal Cabba, then uses Super Saiyan God power against Super Saiyan Cabba.

[dbzfan7]

I'm hoping now that SSJ Vegeta beats SSJ Cabba and the SSJB scene was for Hit instead. It'd certainly make it less confusing than it already is.

It seems Cabba overpowers Vegeta when they use the same forms. Vegeta uses Super Saiyan against normal Cabba, then uses Super Saiyan God power against Super Saiyan Cabba.

The magazine on the episode says they're equal. If one of the translators on the site forums are right.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The translation says "Cabba shows he fights evenly with Vegeta, even in base".

That doesn't necessarily specify whether Vegeta is in base or not. It can be interpreted as SS Vegeta vs. base Cabba.

[LightBing]

It's like I said before, Goku base equal SSJG was a one time thing. Whis direct comparison of Goku and Vegeta with the "Gods Level" during the training time before RoF sets the rest of the series, with later events further supporting this idea.

I predict Vegeta will go SSJB against Cabba to show him the form, at very least, maybe to put him down easily. Kinda of redundant to discuss a preview.

More interesting discussing Magetta, did his hit himself and get stronger ability had limits? He tied with SSJ Vegeta's final flash, that puts him above Final Frost by a decent margin.

[Birusu16]

The translation says "Cabba shows he fights evenly with Vegeta, even in base".

That doesn't necessarily specify whether Vegeta is in base or not. It can be interpreted as SS Vegeta vs. base Cabba.

I'm pretty sure that was referencing base vs base as the episode 37 preview clearly shows SSJ Vegeta having a pretty big advantage over base Cabba, so we can pretty much rule out that statement suggesting base Cabba fights evenly with SSJ Vegeta.

[dbzfan7]

It's like I said before, Goku base equal SSJG was a one time thing. Whis direct comparison of Goku and Vegeta with the "Gods Level" during the training time before RoF sets the rest of the series, with later events further supporting this idea.

I predict Vegeta will go SSJB against Cabba to show him the form, at very least, maybe to put him down easily. Kinda of redundant to discuss a preview.

More interesting discussing Magetta, did his hit himself and get stronger ability had limits? He tied with SSJ Vegeta's final flash, that puts him above Final Frost by a decent margin.

That quote I also like to follow as it wouldn't make much sense if they're already not far off in their base states. I do wonder though why after absorbing the power of a god, why it would disappear from his base state/SSJ, and only be tapped into as a SSJB. Unfortunately Super explains nothing, so we may never know.

Did it? I think Vegeta overpowered the blast and then Magetta's natural toughness allowed him to tank it. Then he struggled a bit to get him out of bounds. I do think Magetta is as you said, decently above Frost at the very least. Which makes me wonder why Cabba is after Magetta, when he seems weaker. Unless he could always go SSJ, but it seems Vegeta pushed him into it, so I'm confused why he'd be after the seemingly stronger Magetta.

[LightBing]

It's like I said before, Goku base equal SSJG was a one time thing. Whis direct comparison of Goku and Vegeta with the "Gods Level" during the training time before RoF sets the rest of the series, with later events further supporting this idea.

I predict Vegeta will go SSJB against Cabba to show him the form, at very least, maybe to put him down easily. Kinda of redundant to discuss a preview.

More interesting discussing Magetta, did his hit himself and get stronger ability had limits? He tied with SSJ Vegeta's final flash, that puts him above Final Frost by a decent margin.

That quote I also like to follow as it wouldn't make much sense if they're already not far off in their base states. I do wonder though why after absorbing the power of a god, why it would disappear from his base state/SSJ, and only be tapped into as a SSJB. Unfortunately Super explains nothing, so we may never know.

Did it? I think Vegeta overpowered the blast and then Magetta's natural toughness allowed him to tank it. Then he struggled a bit to get him out of bounds. I do think Magetta is as you said, decently above Frost at the very least. Which makes me wonder why Cabba is after Magetta, when he seems weaker. Unless he could always go SSJ, but it seems Vegeta pushed him into it, so I'm confused why he'd be after the seemingly stronger Magetta.

Just re-watched the scene, I was remembering it as both blasts exploding in the middle, with Vegeta swooping in. Although he was tied with Vegeta(when defending the punch) until the "piece of trash" line.
I'll have to put him very close the to the SSJs. I'll wait for the manga version to see a clearer picture.

Magetta must be one of the most durable characters in Dragon Ball. Both him and Botamo have insane capabilities, which would cause problems in another setting. The power above all from the last few arcs, appears to have been left behind. Old school Dragon Ball!
A Magetta-Boo would be amazing...

[Bullza]

I had an interesting thought when I was out. One thing I've seen a lot of people say is that the Super Saiyan multiplier went down as the years went by.

If Vegeta and Cabba were even in base and then Cabba went Super Saiyan for the first time. Then Vegeta turns Super Saiyan and they continue to be about even.

Doesn't that mean that the multiplier never went down and was always 50x?