Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[TheMikado]

Its obvious from the episodes the gaps between u6 fighters and goku and vegeta is much more than a mere 10/20%.

I'm totally fine with concept but that also means U6 is not God Tier which brings us back to the two bases theory.

[buutenks]

Its obvious from the episodes the gaps between u6 fighters and goku and vegeta is much more than a mere 10/20%.

I'm totally fine with concept but that also means U6 is not God Tier which brings us back to the two bases theory.

I removed what you quoted. Since i have no proof that the gap between them is more than 10/20%.

2 base theory? lol. Nah, goku and vegeta could have held back or simply their base isnt that powerful.

[TheMikado]

Its obvious from the episodes the gaps between u6 fighters and goku and vegeta is much more than a mere 10/20%.

I'm totally fine with concept but that also means U6 is not God Tier which brings us back to the two bases theory.

I removed what you quoted. Since i have no proof that the gap between them is more than 10/20%.

2 base theory? lol. Nah, goku and vegeta could have held back or simply their base isnt that powerful.

Which would be fine but we see base Goku taking hits from Hit that put Vegeta SSB under in 3 hits.

[buutenks]

Which would be fine but we see base Goku taking hits from Hit that put Vegeta SSB under in 3 hits.

What? Vegeta states that hit does only light attacks, which is why he was still standing. After which hit does a heavy attack and one hit kos vegeta.

Hit wasnt taking goku seriously, he could have easily koed him just like he did vegeta.

basically hit wasnt trying much vs ssj blue vegeta, and when he did one punch koed vegeta since he wasnt prepaired for it.

vs goku, hit againt wasnt trying.

[apex_pretador]

Its obvious from the episodes the gaps between u6 fighters and goku and vegeta is much more than a mere 10/20%.

I'm totally fine with concept but that also means U6 is not God Tier which brings us back to the two bases theory.

what and how?

Who said that U6 is god tier?
I assume god tier is referred to as SSG goku and above. If that's the case, then no matter how you see it, no one except hit & golden freeza is no that level.

What's the problem with base saiyans being buuhan level? Or Piccolo being fat buu level in U6 tourney? I know, TBH the only one holding them back is Fat Buu.

[TheMikado]

Which would be fine but we see base Goku taking hits from Hit that put Vegeta SSB under in 3 hits.

What? Vegeta states that hit does only light attacks, which is why he was still standing. After which hit does a heavy attack and one hit kos vegeta.

Hit wasnt taking goku seriously, he could have easily koed him just like he did vegeta.

basically hit wasnt trying much vs ssj blue vegeta, and when he did one punch koed vegeta since he wasnt prepaired for it.

vs goku, hit againt wasnt trying.

This makes even less sense especially when Vegeta never touched him and Goku was predicting and actual got a hit on him. If anything Vegeta would have been taken less seriously.

[TheMikado]

Its obvious from the episodes the gaps between u6 fighters and goku and vegeta is much more than a mere 10/20%.

I'm totally fine with concept but that also means U6 is not God Tier which brings us back to the two bases theory.

what and how?

Who said that U6 is god tier?

There's a large portion of people in this thread that think that even one in the tournament is God level.

[buutenks]

This makes even less sense especially when Vegeta never touched him and Goku was predicting and actual got a hit on him. If anything Vegeta would have been taken less seriously.

...really?

You do know hit actually hit goku prior to goku being able to counter him? So hit had no reason to use a heavy attack on goku and ko him.

After which goku countered him, hit thought it was a fluke and goku did it again and managed to scratch hit and then block hits attack.

Then fight ends and goku says he will use full power.

Edit:Also reason hit used a heavy atatck was because if he hadnt vegeta would have most likely koed him or severly hurt him with a full power ssj blue punch.

[TheMikado]

This makes even less sense especially when Vegeta never touched him and Goku was predicting and actual got a hit on him. If anything Vegeta would have been taken less seriously.

...really?

You do know hit actually hit goku prior to goku being able to counter him? So hit had no reason to use a heavy attack on goku and ko him.

After which goku countered him, hit thought it was a fluke and goku did it again and managed to scratch hit and then block hits attack.

Then fight ends and goku says he will use full power.

What I'm saying is you're making a big assumption in order to rationalize this.
Hit goes all out on Vegeta from the get go with no evidence that he can even lay a hand on him and Hit still goes easy of Goku after he actually counters just because Hit is keenly aware of Saiyan transformations and decides to continue going easy on at opponent that has proven to be able to counter him.

[Noah]

So... Vegeta lose badly against Hit in his SSGSS form, Goku on the other hand endure against Hit attack in his Base Form and even managed to hurt him? What the F***?

Saiyan Beyond God or Base God, whatever this sh** is, is something existing or not? TELL ME!

[TheMikado]

So... Vegeta lose badly against Hit in his SSGSS form, Goku on the other hand endure against Hit attack in his Base Form and even managed to hurt him? What the F***?

Saiyan Beyond God or Base God, whatever this sh** is, is something existing or not? TELL ME!

Exactly, now we are to the point where we are making claims about whether Hit was going full power again Vegeta vs easy on Goku when have no evidence that that happened and it's the only way we can rationalize the disparity.

[buutenks]

We have evidence.


Vegeta says, hit is using light attacks, that is why i am still standing, that is hit's weakness. Then when hit punches vegeta in the stomach, vegeta says :a heavy attack and faints.

Hit ask goku if he forgot to transform, then hits goku 3 times with light attacks, after which hit doesnt land any more hits due to goku countering them and episode ends.

[apex_pretador]

So... Vegeta lose badly against Hit in his SSGSS form, Goku on the other hand endure against Hit attack in his Base Form and even managed to hurt him? What the F***?

Saiyan Beyond God or Base God, whatever this sh** is, is something existing or not? TELL ME!

Vegeta lol'd at hit's attacks, till hit hits ( ) him hard enough to KO him.
Vegeta also called (suppressed) hit weak and thought he can win with one HIT ( )

Also, hit saw goku can transform and probably was going a bit easy on him because he doesn't want to kill him ??

And goku got hit only once or twice.

[buutenks]

You guys really need to watch the episode with subs, before you start complaining.

Oh and actually pay attention to the episode while you watch.

[TheMikado]

You guys really need to watch the episode with subs, before you start complaining.

Oh and actually pay attention to the episode while you watch.

I read the translations retroactively so I will say that's fair. So basically Hit is God Tier which is fine and whatever Base Goku was using was also God tier vicinity.

[buutenks]

You guys really need to watch the episode with subs, before you start complaining.

Oh and actually pay attention to the episode while you watch.

I read the translations retroactively so I will say that's fair. So basically Hit is God Tier which is fine and whatever Base Goku was using was also God tier vicinity.

You read what?

Possibly, or possibly not.

[ekrolo2]

This whole "two base or not to two base" thing would be so much easier if someone, fucking anyone got a hint of a clue and wrote something into the dialogue to address this possibility. Or hell, if THAT'S too hard, they could've at least made God Base have a more fire-like aura to visually discern it from the regular base form.

[TheMikado]

You guys really need to watch the episode with subs, before you start complaining.

Oh and actually pay attention to the episode while you watch.

I read the translations retroactively so I will say that's fair. So basically Hit is God Tier which is fine and whatever Base Goku was using was also God tier vicinity.

You read what?

Possibly, or possibly not.

I have no idea what you're saying here?

[apex_pretador]

This whole "two base or not to two base" thing would be so much easier if someone, fucking anyone got a hint of a clue and wrote something into the dialogue to address this possibility. Or hell, if THAT'S too hard, they could've at least made God Base have a more fire-like aura to visually discern it from the regular base form.

Isn't it true that AT wants to keep it simple and limited all the SS transformations to regular SS only, to keep it simple, and also said in some interview that he wants to keep things simple?
The "two-base theory" is just something fans made up. It is, not even once , implied or stated or even hinted.

[buutenks]

I have no idea what you're saying here?

Ok ill break it down

I read the translations retroactively so I will say that's fair.

You read what?

So basically Hit is God Tier which is fine and whatever Base Goku was using was also God tier vicinity.

perhaps, or perhaps not.