Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[WittyUsername]

That was in the movie, not the series.

Then it should be disregarded. Along with the 6/10/15 that was meant for the movies.

We saw the feats in Super were far different than the movie.

Isn't Toriyama a writer for the series? I would assume that he's the one who came up with having SSJB Goku using the Kaioken x10.

[TheMikado]

^ from what we know Toriyama was more directory involved in the movies to the point of actual writing. In the Super series it looks like he made an outline and it was adapted from there.

[TheMikado]

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[Chiki]

^ from what we know Toriyama was more directory involved in the movies to the point of actual writing. In the Super series it looks like he made an outline and it was adapted from there.

Kaioken x10 is a big deal and I think it would be in the outline.

[TheMikado]

^ from what we know Toriyama was more directory involved in the movies to the point of actual writing. In the Super series it looks like he made an outline and it was adapted from there.

Kaioken x10 is a big deal and I think it would be in the outline.

I could just be standard Kaioken which wouldn't create such havoc with the power scaling.

[Bullza]

I can't see the Kaioken x10 only multiplying his base. How many kids watching would think that's what he was doing? Especially when they never even said or implied that.

[namekiansaiyan]

In the next episode Hit is going to get stronger and will probably be a lot Stronger than Goku as he has used his best technique and survives. Even now I think Hit is stronger than Goku as he is taking attacks easily while Goku has been knocked down twice.

Power levels should be in lists of strongest to weakest.

The 15/10/6 power scale should be thrown in the bin and forgotten.

Hit's power level isn't going up, it's his Tokitobashi technique that is improving. It was stated in the episode.

I still think he is stronger as when Hit lands attacks it is affecting Goku more than when Goku attacks Hit.

[buutenks]

In the next episode Hit is going to get stronger and will probably be a lot Stronger than Goku as he has used his best technique and survives. Even now I think Hit is stronger than Goku as he is taking attacks easily while Goku has been knocked down twice.

Power levels should be in lists of strongest to weakest.

The 15/10/6 power scale should be thrown in the bin and forgotten.

Hit's power level isn't going up, it's his Tokitobashi technique that is improving. It was stated in the episode.

Well, him raising it to 1 second wont matter, if goku can move so fast that hit cant freeze him. Plus in nep we see hit with an aura around him, and it looks like he is powering up.

While hit did say he cannot transform to become stronger, he could still have been hiding his max ki output.

Also, IMO using numbers now, seems to be pointless.

Think we need to use tiers and so forth.

[Pannaliciour]

Goku has been upgraded from multi galaxy to universe level (from tier 3B to 3A) thx to episode 39!

http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Son_Goku

[emperior]

I'm again here, trying to figure out Super's power levels just for fun. I personally think PLs are completely meaningless nowadays but I still have fun making this lists.


BoG Arc

Spoiler:

Goku
Base - 75
SSJ - 3,750
SSJ2 - 7,500
SSJ3 - 15,000
SSG - 650,000

Vegeta
Base - 74
SSJ - 3,700
SSJ2 - 7,400
SSJ2 Enraged - 96,000

Beerus
Unseen True Power - 10,000,000

From now on, I'm going to assume Beerus used 10% of his true power and then scaled his power basing on the foes he had, just to have fun

Full Power - 1,000,000
vs SSJ3 Goku, at 5% - 50,000
vs Enraged Vegeta, at 10% - 100,000
vs God Goku, at 70% - 700,000

Whis
Full Power - 15,000,000

RoF Arc

Spoiler:

Goku
Base - 900
Base with God Ki - 90,000
SSJ - 45,000
SSB - 4,500,000

Vegeta
Base - 900
Base with God Ki - 90,500
SSJ - 45,000
SSB - 4,525,000

Freezer
1st Form - 10,000
4th Form - 95,000
Golden - 4,750,000
Exhausted - 3,750,000

(Golden Form is 50x of Freezer's 4th form)

Gohan
Base - 70
SSJ - 3,500

Tagoma
Pre-Training - 10
Post-Training - 3,500
Possessed by Ginyu - 3,000

Universal Tournament Arc


Gods

Spoiler:

Whis - 15,000,000

Beerus - 10,000,000

Vados - 15,200,000

Champa - 9,900,000

U7 Fighters

Spoiler:

Goku
Base - 1000
Base with God Ki - 100,000
SSJ - 100,000
SSB - 5,000,000
SSB + KKx2 - 10,000,000
SSB + KKx10 - 50,000,000

Vegeta

Base - 1000
Base with God Ki - 100,000
SSJ - 100,000
SSB - 5,000,000

Piccolo - 10,000

Mr Buu - 50,000

Monaka - ???

U6 Fighters

Spoiler:

Botamo - 1,000

Frost
1st Form - 500
Assault Form - 1,000
Final Form - 15,000

Otto Magetta - 52,000

Cabba
Base - 1000
SSJ - 50,000

Hit - ???

[Bullza]

Goku has been upgraded from multi galaxy to universe level (from tier 3B to 3A) thx to episode 39!

http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Son_Goku

It makes sense Goku and Beerus were threatening the Universe when Goku was less than 1/10th as strong as he'd be now with the Kaioken.

[TheMikado]

Goku has been upgraded from multi galaxy to universe level (from tier 3B to 3A) thx to episode 39!

http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Son_Goku

It makes sense Goku and Beerus were threatening the Universe when Goku was less than 1/10th as strong as he'd be now with the Kaioken.

Now that I'm thinking about it. Regardless of overt power statements we have SSJ Goku vs Beerus sending out universe destroying waves with SSB beyond that and now SSB + 10 x Kaioken. How is anything left standing just from them powering up

[Chiki]

In the next episode Hit is going to get stronger and will probably be a lot Stronger than Goku as he has used his best technique and survives. Even now I think Hit is stronger than Goku as he is taking attacks easily while Goku has been knocked down twice.

Power levels should be in lists of strongest to weakest.

The 15/10/6 power scale should be thrown in the bin and forgotten.

Hit's power level isn't going up, it's his Tokitobashi technique that is improving. It was stated in the episode.

Well, him raising it to 1 second wont matter, if goku can move so fast that hit cant freeze him. Plus in nep we see hit with an aura around him, and it looks like he is powering up.

While hit did say he cannot transform to become stronger, he could still have been hiding his max ki output.

Also, IMO using numbers now, seems to be pointless.

Think we need to use tiers and so forth.

Vados and Champa etc. say that his ki didn't go up at all so I don't think he was hiding anymore of it.

[ZombieVito]

I have no problem letting go of the 6/10/15 scale but damn does it not feel wrong that Beerus only used 10% to beat even SSG Goku.

Shit is just ridiculous.

That just shows how op beerus is. Also means whis and vados are true power monsters.

Beerus using 10% I can sorta accept but enraged Vegeta being that close to SSG Goku now is just a hard pill to swallow. Where the hell is Goku with all the Saiyans ki be at now?

[Bullza]

Vegeta doesn't have to be close to 10%. Just consider it as him powering up more than need be.

[buutenks]

Vados and Champa etc. say that his ki didn't go up at all so I don't think he was hiding anymore of it.

No, no i meant next episode. From the preview, goku says hit will go full power, so i assume hit is holding back. We will see next ep i guess.

This episode yes, hit simply imitated goku's powering up, just he didnt increase his ki, just his time freeze.

Also, writing PLs is fun, but i think we shouldnt take them to seriously.

Beerus using 10% I can sorta accept but enraged Vegeta being that close to SSG Goku now is just a hard pill to swallow. Where the hell is Goku with all the Saiyans ki be at now?

Most likely beerus over compensated, he did took a galic gun to the face.

IMO:

Vegeta: 0.7%
galic gun:2-3%
beerus:10% to safely tank it.

As for where the saiyans combined r. Not much, since vegeta would be the main bulk of ki lol.

[ZombieVito]

Vegeta doesn't have to be close to 10%. Just consider it as him powering up more than need be.

How powerful would you have Vegeta? 2%?

[Noah]

That just shows how op beerus is. Also means whis and vados are true power monsters.

I wonder when we'll have an sample of their full power, I really want see Beerus fighting 100%, Whis and Vados too.

[buutenks]

Vegeta doesn't have to be close to 10%. Just consider it as him powering up more than need be.

How powerful would you have Vegeta? 2%?

less then 1%, since galic gun multiplies ones PL as shown when vegeta clashed with goku. He was able to overpower a kkx3 kameha and goku's kameha vs raditz more than doubled in power.

Basically:

FP beerus 10,000
10% beerus=1.000
ssg=700
ssj2 raging vegeta=50-70
ssjb=800
ssjb+kkx10=8,000

Basically vegeta got a massive massive boost,id say vegeta jumped to vegetto's level.

Since, ssj3 goku(bog) would be at 2-3 on that list.

And for comparison, id play place buuhan inbetween 10-15.

[namekiansaiyan]

That just shows how op beerus is. Also means whis and vados are true power monsters.

I wonder when we'll have an sample of their full power, I really want see Beerus fighting 100%, Whis and Vados too.

Probably never.