Marco Polo wrote:Not even as powerful as Perfect Cell? lol. A Kienzan could cut him easily.
You could say that about any character in the manga...
And not being excessive in power gains is one of DBM's strengths. It's far better to have Cold explore saiyan arrogance to keep the fight interesting than him getting massive gains.
rereboy wrote:
And not being excessive in power gains is one of DBM's strengths. It's far better to have Cold explore saiyan arrogance to keep the fight interesting than him getting massive gains.
I concur. Buu's magic doesn't need to make Cold stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku or something, just strong enough to challenge the base form of his opponent after baiting her into not using transformations, and all we've seen her do in that form is one-shot a Cell Jr. level fighter.
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dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
This page makes me like Bra a little more. It's one thing being cocky when no one can touch you, but it's more like courage when you can tell she's afraid.
dario03 wrote:Super kind of reminded me of something. What if Bra knows Kaio-Ken or false Super Saiyan. She could use either one of those and not get DQed.
Or if she shaves her head. The terms were "if her hair becomes yellow she loses."
dario03 wrote:Super kind of reminded me of something. What if Bra knows Kaio-Ken or false Super Saiyan. She could use either one of those and not get DQed.
Or if she shaves her head. The terms were "if her hair becomes yellow she loses."
I'm still waiting for Cold to bust out the hair dye. Or maybe he figured out Piccolo's clothes beam and has a hair color beam attack now
...Still hate those designs. Gimme me Golden Freeza over that shit any day.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
While preferring the most simple and elegant forms to the classical villains of Toriyama, I also like these (spikes, size and multiple arms are very functional to the fight)
However, the Golden Freeza's design wasn't bad, but I think it is less appreciable than Freeza's final form, who, along with Beerus and Perfect Cell, remains one of my absolute favorite character design of DB (simple and deadly).
Gotta echo Beerus in that I'm still not really feeling the form - but I do really like the way it's drawn on the page, the art itself, if that makes any sense?
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Lord Beerus wrote:...Still hate those designs. Gimme me Golden Freeza over that shit any day.
I agree, but you gotta admit that art is absolutely stunning.
Oh, the artwork is truly fantastic. There's no denying that.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
I too am not crazy about the design but damn does that page make Cold look like one imposing monster.
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How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
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Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
While I find myself decidedly in the minority in saying that I immediately loved -- loved -- "Golden Freeza" from concept to execution, I will say that I prefer it to these both precisely because it is minimalist, preserving the sleek-but-menacing style of silhouette that made the fourth form so appealing and distinctive aesthetically, and because it represents the type of deliberately unsubtle, ironizing, playfully winking meta-gag that is nothing if not characteristic Toriyama (which may also help "excuse" it for some should they happen to find the form otherwise objectionable).
That said, I am surprised not to find myself as thoroughly repulsed with these here forms as the rest of you. I can tolerate them, although perhaps that's just 'cause the quality of Asura's artwork is just that gosh darn elevating. Props!
Faustus wrote:While I find myself decidedly in the minority in saying that I immediately loved -- loved -- "Golden Freeza" from concept to execution, I will say that I prefer it to these both precisely because it is minimalist, preserving the sleek-but-menacing style of silhouette that made the fourth form so appealing and distinctive aesthetically, and because it represents the type of deliberately unsubtle, ironizing, playfully winking meta-gag that is nothing if not characteristic Toriyama (which may also help "excuse" it for some should they happen to find the form otherwise objectionable).
That said, I am surprised not to find myself as thoroughly repulsed with these here forms as the rest of you. I can tolerate them, although perhaps that's just 'cause the quality of Asura's artwork is just that gosh darn elevating. Props!
Of course it preserves it. The only thing that changed was the color scheme.
...Still hate those designs. Gimme me Golden Freeza over that shit any day.
Amen. If anything, not only is the design terrible, but it's most likely going to be impractical like SSJ Grade 3 considering how fucking huge Cold is.
I agree with you others, about the esthetics not particularly into line with Dragonball, and toriyama style, but, you have to admit that a transformation of this type is 20 times more suited to fight. All transformations of Toriyama are aesthetically sublime, but often lack of practicality (excluding the increase in power ). To fight, are a lot more useful and deadly the pointy horns of the second stage of Freeza, than the bald head of the last form. Even imperfect Cell's tail is a terrible weapon, and certainly much more practice to the black wings of the last stage.
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