Does anyone wish Trunk's backstory retcon?

[Darkprince410]

over a decade is enough for Gohan to turn ssj2 and wipe out the androids.

Why would it have? You can't use the results Gohan had during his other moments of training as evidence for his gains in this situation, as the two situations are very different. He has no high-strength training partners (until taking Trunks under his wing, he has no training partners whatsoever) and no special environment for training boosts (no gravity chamber, no Room of Spirit and Time, etc). He only has the basics of training from his time with Piccolo prior to Vegeta and Nappa's arrival for how to train at all, and doesn't have anywhere near the training experience his present counterpart has as a result.

Lastly, he would always have to be under constant visual and auditory guard for #17 and #18 during any kind of training he did. Because he can't sense them, he'd always have to be on the watch for them if he were training out in the open, thus meaning he'd not be able to readily focus on his training for optimal results.

All this points to it making perfect sense that Gohan, in Trunks' timeline, just never reached anywhere near what present-time Gohan did, so him not having Ssj2 or otherwise not being strong enough to take them on is perfectly reasonable to me.

[Hitiro]

over a decade is enough for Gohan to turn ssj2 and wipe out the androids.

From the events of Trunks timeline Gohan never received the 3 years training prior to the androids arriving. Gohan's battle power on Namek was in the mere 10's of thousands. Gohan also had nobody incredibly strong to spar with until Trunks was old enough 10 years later And even then Trunks was not strong enough to actually give Gohan significant gains. We see Gohan fending off his attacks in base while Trunks was a SSJ just to even a playing field. Followed by the fact that Gohan literally states that he still doesn't match what his fathers strength was so he is probably not as strong as Goku was against Freeza.

Chapter: Trunks: the Story, P2.5
Context: Trunks commented on how Gohan’s gi made Bulma think of Goku.
Future Gohan: “I made it hoping it would make me as strong as dad was before he died… But I guess it’s not that easy.”

So given all of this a decade probably wasn't enough for Gohan to turn SSJ2 in Trunks' timeline.

[NitroEX]

over a decade is enough for Gohan to turn ssj2 and wipe out the androids.

Future Gohan wouldn't have even known about a form above Super Saiyan. Without anyone to tell him otherwise, that was the pinnacle of Saiyan transformations to him.

In the present we saw Vegeta pondering the idea of ascending past SSJ but that was only after he was defeated as a Super Saiyan and the Androids showed him mercy. The Androids of the future were more ruthless and likely finished off Vegeta the first time they met. I doubt Vegeta would've shared any knowledge or trained with Gohan anyway but without him (and to a lesser extent the time chamber) Gohan was screwed in that timeline.

[Lord Beerus]

No. Keep Future Trunkss back story the way it is. It's perfect. The last thing I want to see retconned in Dragon Ball is that.

[MLapan]

The real plot hole is that Future Trunks didn't say anything about Babidi, Babidi's henchmen, the Kaioshin, Tarble, Abo and Cado, and Beerus and Whis.

Babidi would still come to Earth in that timeline to try to revive Majin Buu, and the Kaioshin would still try to stop him. Why didn't Future Trunks and Future Gohan sense Dabura's ki? Why didn't they meet the Kaioshin? Tarble would still come to Earth to ask for help, he wouldn't know that Vegeta was already dead. Tarble had a scouter so he would have eventually found Trunks and Gohan. Abo and Cado would still come to Earth since they are chasing after Tarble, they had scouters too. Beerus and Whis would still come to Earth to search for a SSJ God. I don't see why Whis wouldn't tell them the location of New Planet Namek or why Whis wouldn't offer to train Trunks and Gohan.

All of this happened when kid Trunks was between 8 to 12 years old. So why didn't a much older Future Trunks mention any of this? Of course the most convenient in-universe explanation is that these events didn't happen in Future Trunks' timeline but that's a little too convenient. The real explanation is that Toriyama didn't plan ahead and probably forgot all about the History Of Trunks special by the time Yo Son Goku and Friends Return and Battle Of Gods were made.

[DBZAOTA482]

-Goku can't be wished back. He died of natural causes and the dragonballs can't wish someone back if they die like that.
-Nobody knows where New Namek is or have the tools to reach it
-Piccolo is dead thus Kami is dead so no one can use the Earth Dragon Balls

Trunks' backstory fits in perfectly. The Android Saga has other plot-holes... like how the hell can Dr. Gero make two random teenagers and a hippie robot stronger than Freeza?

[nobody231]

I still think Goku and the others didn't want to get wish back in Trunks timeline. If they wanted to return then they would have done it and defeated #17 & #18.

Just wondering, how would they be wished back? Piccolo died, so Kami dies, so no Earth Dragon Balls. And plus, no one knows where New Namek is. Sorry if I'm overlooking some huge piece of evidence.

[Darkprince410]

The real plot hole is that Future Trunks didn't say anything about Babidi, Babidi's henchmen, the Kaioshin, Tarble, Abo and Cado, and Beerus and Whis.

Babidi would still come to Earth in that timeline to try to revive Majin Buu, and the Kaioshin would still try to stop him. Why didn't Future Trunks and Future Gohan sense Dabura's ki? Why didn't they meet the Kaioshin? Tarble would still come to Earth to ask for help, he wouldn't know that Vegeta was already dead. Tarble had a scouter so he would have eventually found Trunks and Gohan. Abo and Cado would still come to Earth since they are chasing after Tarble, they had scouters too. Beerus and Whis would still come to Earth to search for a SSJ God. I don't see why Whis wouldn't tell them the location of New Planet Namek or why Whis wouldn't offer to train Trunks and Gohan.

1) There's enough anecdotal evidence that Babi-di's men (or at least the ones fully under the effects of the Ma-jin charm) don't have ki that can be sensed. If Goku and the others couldn't sense Dabra's ki in the Buu Saga (they suggest as much), then there's no reason to assume Trunks or Gohan could.

Besides, it should be noted that the Daizenshuu indicates that they in fact did come in Trunks' timeline, but there were so few ki sources available to revive Buu, they just left him on Earth (likely to wait and try again in another few hundred years).

2) The 2008 JSAT special is back within that uncertain realm of continuity.

3) No, Beerus wouldn't still come to Earth, because he logically wouldn't have had the premonition of the Ssj God in Trunks' time. Beerus's dream was about Goku eventually becoming a Super Saiya-jin God, so in order for him to have that dream, Goku would need to be alive, Videl would need to be pregnant with Pan, Goten would need to exist, etc. Since those conditions aren't possible within Trunks' timeline, the Super Saiya-jin God couldn't come into existence, and thus Beerus wouldn't have the dream that prompts the BoG storyline.

[MLapan]

The Android Saga has other plot-holes... like how the hell can Dr. Gero make two random teenagers and a hippie robot stronger than Freeza?

At least it took him over a decade to build these androids which is much more believable than Freeza's 4 months of training in RoF/DBSuper.

[jplaya2023]

What plotholes are in Future Trunks' back story? I can't find anything wrong with it

After goku dies....

1. Why didn't they train in the ROSAT
2. Why didn't piccolo fuse with kami
3. Why didn't bulma tell them where gero's lab was
4. Why didnt they gather the dragonballs and wish for immortality
5. Why didn't king kaiou contact them and teach them kaioken and spirit bomb

[Hitiro]

What plotholes are in Future Trunks' back story? I can't find anything wrong with it

After goku dies....

1. Why didn't they train in the ROSAT

After Goku dies they were slaughtered by the androids in their first meeting. Only Gohan survived. He would be the only one who could use the RoSaT. And nothing says he didn't. But Gohan was much weaker than Goku after Namek and he had no reason to train until the androids showed up. It is highly likely that his training did not produce anything significant because he had no one to train with. At least when he trained with Piccolo and Goku for 3 years in the main timeline he could use those Saiyan genes to get stronger against two incredibly strong characters. Gohan states that he still doesn't match his fathers strength in the future timeline so that shows that any training he did was not significant enough to catch up to Goku.

2. Why didn't piccolo fuse with kami

They were slaughtered in their first meeting. How is he supposed to fuse with Kami if he is dead?

3. Why didn't bulma tell them where gero's lab was

If you're on about the future, again, everybody died when the androids showed up. There was nobody for her to tell and they probably didn't know Dr. Gero had created them in the future timeline. That was probably something Trunks, or Gohan, found out later. The lab didn't exist in their timeline anyway because it was destroyed then they killed the Future Timelines Dr. Gero.

4. Why didnt they gather the dragonballs and wish for immortality

They can't do that if they died as soon as they confronted the androids, now can they?

5. Why didn't king kaiou contact them and teach them kaioken and spirit bomb

Why would he do this? And how would he teach them without them coming to him for the training? Someone shouting down the phone at you doesn't teach you anything. And again, only Gohan survived the initial encounter with the Androids.

[Darknat]

The only possible plothole I can see is Bulma not contacting Jaco asking for help searching New Namek.

Jaco may not know where New Namek is, but Zuno probably does.



Regarding Kaiou, after Freeza saga he didn't look over Earth that much. He didn't knew about Cell or the Androids on the present timeline.