GT 1st arc

[sintzu]

Why Toei thought that making Goku kid again and be a bad copy of the least popular arc is a good idea is beyond me.

That's the arc that started the franchise so they probably thought that it would also kick off GT in a big way.

The difference is, the 1st DB arc was funny, interesting and the characters were likable which is the exact opposite of GT's 1st arc.

Another thing is, DB's 1st arc was the introduction to the franchise so it made sense for Toriyama to start small and build his way up but GT was coming off of 7 huge battle arcs (22nd Tenkaichi, King Piccolo, 23rd Tenkaichi, Saiyan, Namek, Android & Buu arcs) and that's not counting the action packed movies so for them to go all the way back and make a bad arc on top of that...I don't think there's a word that can describe what a bad idea that was.

That would be like Hollywood deciding to make black and white movies again.

I'll go with 40-7-17, it just feels that there are 3 arcs with beginnings, middles and endings.

This would be a better split, 27-7-17.

I know the Black star arc is a part of GT but does anyone want to watch that again ? it's so much easier to start with Baby cause it feels more natural after seeing Buu or which ever arc in Super. plus it's a decent arc unlike the black star arc which is the worst thing the franchise has produced.

[Kuririn Fan]

Plus I feel like 40 episodes is pretty long to be one arc.

How is that pretty long when before that you had 3 gigantic arcs that were more than half of the manga. Division isn't decided by length, all of them have clear beginnings, middles and endings.

[TenshinFan]

Fair enough, just like canon - there is no one right answer and everyone has their own.

This I can agree on!

Plus I feel like 40 episodes is pretty long to be one arc.

How is that pretty long when before that you had 3 gigantic arcs that were more than half of the manga. Division isn't decided by length, all of them have clear beginnings, middles and endings.

See, I agree length isn't everything, but clear cut beginnings, middles, and endings, are not the hallmarks of a lengthy shonin like Dragon Ball. For instance, I'd split the Red Ribbon and Uranai Baba arcs for sure. Namek/Freeza, Android/Cell, and Saiyaman/Buu start to get a little fuzzier, but those are all arguments for a different thread haha.

I'll go with 40-7-17, it just feels that there are 3 arcs with beginnings, middles and endings.

This would be a better split, 27-7-17.

I know the Black star arc is a part of GT but does anyone want to watch that again ? it's so much easier to start with Baby cause it feels more natural after seeing Buu or which ever arc in Super. plus it's a decent arc unlike the black star arc which is the worst thing the franchise has produced.

Worst thing the franchise has produced? I mean, no one's arguing it's the best. I'd put it above Garlic Jr Saga but under Dead Zone. It feels optimistic but is a complete misfire. Luckily it rebounded with Baby, but it for sure struggled to get it's footing.

Regardless your opinions of it's quality, I guess it's for the most part easy to get behind the consensus view of a 15-25-7-17 split. I still look at that 7 and think that's gotta be too small. I plan on re-watching the Super 17 saga (ugh!) next week just to gain some more perspective.

[sintzu]

Worst thing the franchise has produced? I mean, no one's arguing it's the best. I'd put it above Garlic Jr Saga.

I guess it's for the most part easy to get behind the consensus view of a 15-25-7-17 split. I still look at that 7 and think that's gotta be too small.

The Garlic Jr arc at least tried to do something different by having Gohan be the main character, The black star arc is just a worse version of DB's 1st arc.

The super 17 arc feels like the 25th Tenkaichi, it's just an introduction to the next arc so you could put them together as one arc, 15-25-24.

[TenshinFan]

The super 17 arc feels like the 25th Tenkaichi, it's just an introduction to the next arc so you could put them together as one arc, 15-25-24.

I can get down with that.

[Kuririn Fan]

Fair enough, just like canon - there is no one right answer and everyone has their own.

This I can agree on!

Yeah, because clearly we have different arc division.
Anyway, what's with all these GT threads, Jesus, i know this is mine, but it's old, there's like 15 of them now.
I don't wanna be reminded of this shit.

[successoroffate]

I wonder how far and broad the 1st arc would have been had the rumors of GT Having around 250 episodes (just a rumor) turned out to be true? I imagine the Whole Bebi conquering Earth lasting longer, The SSJ 4 transformation would have taken longer as well.

I would just rephrase my question and say: If GT had 250 episodes instead of 64, How different the 1st Arc would have been?

[sintzu]

If GT had 250 episodes instead of 64, How different the 1st Arc would have been?

It would have no affect on it cause studios don't green light that many episodes all at once.

They probably gave them the OK for a year's worth and they would've known when it was going to end around the 30's or so.

[Kuririn Fan]

If GT had 250 episodes instead of 64, How different the 1st Arc would have been?

It would have no affect on it cause studios don't green light that many episodes all at once.

They probably gave them the OK for a year's worth and they would've known when it was going to end around the 30's or so.

Yeah. Also, this is literally the first time i hear that rumor.

[voltlunok]

I don't wanna be reminded of this shit.

Then don't read it...? I mean how many times do you have to jump into a GT thread to scream hate and bile till ya get bored of it? Others want to discuss it so just...let them discuss it.

To borrow a quote from Kaboom (Which was originally posted towards you.)

If a topic isn't to your tastes, then just ignore it. Nobody forcing you to participate in the topic or even read it in the first place.

[Kuririn Fan]

I don't wanna be reminded of this shit.

Then don't read it...? I mean how many times do you have to jump into a GT thread to scream hate and bile till ya get bored of it? Others want to discuss it so just...let them discuss it.

To borrow a quote from Kaboom (Which was originally posted towards you.)

If a topic isn't to your tastes, then just ignore it. Nobody forcing you to participate in the topic or even read it in the first place.

This is my topic, i created it. It's just that i noticed the amount of threads about this infamous part of the franchise.

[voltlunok]

I don't wanna be reminded of this shit.

Then don't read it...? I mean how many times do you have to jump into a GT thread to scream hate and bile till ya get bored of it? Others want to discuss it so just...let them discuss it.

To borrow a quote from Kaboom (Which was originally posted towards you.)

If a topic isn't to your tastes, then just ignore it. Nobody forcing you to participate in the topic or even read it in the first place.

This is my topic, i created it. It's just that i noticed the amount of threads about this infamous part of the franchise.

Your thread or not the point still stands. If you don't wanna 'be reminded of it' then don't read the threads about it...No one cares if you don't wanna be reminded about it, people still wanna talk about it.

I don't know...the compliant just gives me a kneejerk. Whatever, carry on folks.

[dbzfan7]

If a topic isn't to your tastes, then just ignore it. Nobody forcing you to participate in the topic or even read it in the first place.

Your thread or not the point still stands. If you don't wanna 'be reminded of it' then don't read the threads about it...No one cares if you don't wanna be reminded about it, people still wanna talk about it.

I don't know...the compliant just gives me a kneejerk. Whatever, carry on folks.

It's what we call bait. You don't see me on Sonic forums anymore since if I were, I'd have nothing good to say because of my hate. So there was nothing worthwhile I could add to the discussion no more. Got to separate hate and worthwhile discussion. I couldn't, so there was no reason to bother with it no more.

[Kuririn Fan]

What are you trying to say dbzfan7?
I discuss Dragon Ball stuff normally, it's the franchise i love the most, it just happens that the GT threads flooded this forum and i'm not a huge fan of that series, so it may look like all i do is hate.

[dbzfan7]

What are you trying to say dbzfan7?
I discuss Dragon Ball stuff normally, it's the franchise i love the most, it just happens that the GT threads flooded this forum and i'm not a huge fan of that series, so it may look like all i do is hate.

Because more often then not, you have absolutely nothing worthwhile to add. If you're not such a huge fan of there being an influx of GT threads, don't bother with them. You're not forced to go into a thread and participate. The opening post was a fine question, that then got devolved into other nonsense. The Kaboom post is perfect. If a topic isn't to your taste, don't bother with it.

[Kuririn Fan]

What are you trying to say dbzfan7?
I discuss Dragon Ball stuff normally, it's the franchise i love the most, it just happens that the GT threads flooded this forum and i'm not a huge fan of that series, so it may look like all i do is hate.

Because more often then not, you have absolutely nothing worthwhile to add. If you're not such a huge fan of there being an influx of GT threads, don't bother with them. You're not forced to go into a thread and participate. The opening post was a fine question, that then got devolved into other nonsense. The Kaboom post is perfect. If a topic isn't to your taste, don't bother with it.

Will do, sir. Maybe you can put that Kaboom post in you sig, as well.

[dbzfan7]

What are you trying to say dbzfan7?
I discuss Dragon Ball stuff normally, it's the franchise i love the most, it just happens that the GT threads flooded this forum and i'm not a huge fan of that series, so it may look like all i do is hate.

Because more often then not, you have absolutely nothing worthwhile to add. If you're not such a huge fan of there being an influx of GT threads, don't bother with them. You're not forced to go into a thread and participate. The opening post was a fine question, that then got devolved into other nonsense. The Kaboom post is perfect. If a topic isn't to your taste, don't bother with it.

Will do, sir. Maybe you can put that Kaboom post in you sig, as well.

Nah if I do, it'll get cut out like other extended signatures I've had. We gotta keep signatures short. But by all means you can sig it as a great reminder to not strain your head on more GT threads.

[lancerman]

Why Toei thought that making Goku kid again and be a bad copy of the least popular arc is a good idea is beyond me.

That's the arc that started the franchise so they probably thought that it would also kick off GT in a big way.

The difference is, the 1st DB arc was funny, interesting and the characters were likable which is the exact opposite of GT's 1st arc.

Another thing is, DB's 1st arc was the introduction to the franchise so it made sense for Toriyama to start small and build his way up but GT was coming off of 7 huge battle arcs (22nd Tenkaichi, King Piccolo, 23rd Tenkaichi, Saiyan, Namek, Android & Buu arcs) and that's not counting the action packed movies so for them to go all the way back and make a bad arc on top of that...I don't think there's a word that can describe what a bad idea that was.

That would be like Hollywood deciding to make black and white movies again.

I'll go with 40-7-17, it just feels that there are 3 arcs with beginnings, middles and endings.

This would be a better split, 27-7-17.

I know the Black star arc is a part of GT but does anyone want to watch that again ? it's so much easier to start with Baby cause it feels more natural after seeing Buu or which ever arc in Super. plus it's a decent arc unlike the black star arc which is the worst thing the franchise has produced.

They did a similar thing with the Freeza arc.

Dragonball Hunt: Gohan playing Goku, Kurriren playing Oolong, Bulma playing Bulma, Vegeta playing Yamcha, Freeza playing Pilaf. They just juxtaposed it with Goku becoming the savior of the universe.

[Hellspawn28]

My pros and cons on GT's 1st arc.

Pros:

- The episode when the kidnappers kidnap Goku was pretty funny
- There was some creative ideas for the other alien planets
- Legic was cool. A bit goofy looking, but he had a cool personality to his character. I wish he stay longer.
- Most of it was decently animated

Cons:

- Goku, Trunks and Pan have no chemistry with each other. Bluma, Goku, Oolong and Yamcha in the Pilaf saga was great because they all felt like that they are work great together and we got a lot of memorable moments with them. With Goku, Pan and Trunks, I didn't get that experience at all. I didn't like Pan's character at all. I could not get into her character like I did with Gohan. She did got annoying and Toei did had her over stay her welcome afterwards since she became the main character for the rest of the show. I can see why some fans view her as the Scrappy-Doo of Dragon Ball.

- Most of the characters are forgettable. I forgot that most of the characters in this arc even exist until Heroes did cards for them.

- I found everything else to be boring. It was hard for me to sit through this story arc twice both subbed and dubbed. It was hard for me to stay awake during the whole saga from start to finish.

- Somethings didn't make much sense like Why did Goku lose his teleportation technique when he was turned into a child? He should use it just fine even with a smaller body? He can still fly, use ki attacks and go SSj. So why can't he not teleport?

- The Black Star Dragon Balls are confusing. So Kami and Piccolo created them as one many years ago. If the Black Star Dragon Balls return when Piccolo and Kami became one, why didn't Piccolo just deactivate the Black Star Dragonballs after Pilaf made his wish? Piccolo would know that they are evil and dangerous since he has all of Kami's memories inside of him. Pilaf also found about them when no one else for years had no idea where they are at.

This story arc is still one of my least favorites in the series. Good idea (Dragon Ball hunt in Space), but badly put together. Toriyama admit that he like the idea of Goku becoming a kid again, so I do wonder what his take on the story would have been like.

[Kuririn Fan]

Toriyama admit that he like the idea of Goku becoming a kid again, so I do wonder what his take on the story would have been like.

Do you have a source for that?