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I wish Uub had never been created.
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No it isn't. Its just a very generalized umbrella term.TheMikado wrote:It's a term used to as supposedly politically correct. I personally don't like it but I've been told this is now the correct term to use to describe a minority for whatever reason so it was actually attempting to be as non offensive as possible. But let's not make it that kind of discussion I was just saying this for the Lolz although Uub really is useless.gogeta97 wrote:I still have no idea why this term is considered acceptable now.TheMikado wrote:As a Person of Color
As for Uub. The kid was only in 1 fight and was kicking Goku's ass. How is that useless?
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Goku wasn't being really serious and using a lot of his power. My big issue with Uub is that he's a new character introduced in the last few chapters and we're supposed to care. Goku leaves his family to be with this kid.
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I've got no interest in Uub. I'm enjoying Gokû more as a student than I did when he was a teacher.
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Gogeta97, I have a suggestion for you. If you like Uub and you dislike the way he was treated on GT, take a read at Young Jijis's DBAF, I know it's fan made but Jiji really made Uub stand out. In fact, I would have loved if TOEI did something like that with Uub on GT. I'm creating a thread soon about it.gogeta97 wrote: On the subject of Uub I do wish he would be more useful in Super. GT's treatment of him was ridiculously stupid.
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So...say if it was the other way around, the DB universe being nothing but black folks(my color, mind you) and then have the white Goku as the enemy, would people say the same thing, or would they celebrate, call them heroes for standing up to "white supremacy" and harp about how black people have been 'oppressed' for 400 years, y'know, like what these armchair revolutionaries are doing on social media.Protege wrote: Since the whole plot of the story will most likely be our White Goku fighting against the Black Goku. In a way this would only promote a fascist like ideas because most likely our White Goku is going to be superior because hes the main character and win in the end by defeating the Black Goku. But for other viewers it could be interpreted differently, and in a way that it could literally spark a race war among blacks and whites.
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You have to be in Japan to post on 2ch, but from what I've seen in the latest thread people are talking about "Goku Black" there too and ways he could be renamed intentionally: http://shiba.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/anime/1462861441/
There's awareness of this there too, not at Shueisha, but at least among fans in Japan.
There's awareness of this there too, not at Shueisha, but at least among fans in Japan.
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Thanks for the suggestion! I'll be sure to look out for it. Uub is a character I always thought had the potential to be more interesting.successoroffate wrote:Gogeta97, I have a suggestion for you. If you like Uub and you dislike the way he was treated on GT, take a read at Young Jijis's DBAF, I know it's fan made but Jiji really made Uub stand out. In fact, I would have loved if TOEI did something like that with Uub on GT. I'm creating a thread soon about it.gogeta97 wrote: On the subject of Uub I do wish he would be more useful in Super. GT's treatment of him was ridiculously stupid.
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SJW's have complained about a lot less so if whoever is a black Goku then what you said is nothing compared to what will happen.Protege wrote:But what do you guys ? Do you this type of backlash could actually occur or am i just overreacting about this whole thing and overloading my brain with unnecessary minor details ?
Toei and Toriyama won't care as long as the ratings are high and the merchandise is flying out the stores.
In terms of black people, I'm sure the majority of them will be happy to see a black Goku cause a strong black character is something they and a lot of fans regardless of their race have been asking for.
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I agree, The problem with Uub is that he just doesnt fit in with the whole DBS storyline. The reason why Goku originally wanted to reincarnate kid buu into a human was because he saw the potentional of power in him. But as we know now. Goku is literally light years ahead of Buu now to the point that almost everyone at the end of DBS from the Z fighters will probably surpass Uub or atleast be on his level. So i doubt Goku will hold any more interest for him, rather than to his new rival Hit or other gods in different universes.ABED wrote:I wish Uub had never been created.
Plus they completely ruined Uub potential in GT and made him into a fodder because at the end of the day, Goku as the main character will always be the biggest selling point of dragon ball in general.
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Really, you think Krillin, Chaotzu, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, etc. will be stronger than Uub?Protege wrote:I agree, The problem with Uub is that he just doesnt fit in with the whole DBS storyline. The reason why Goku originally wanted to reincarnate kid buu into a human was because he saw the potentional of power in him. But as we know now. Goku is literally light years ahead of Buu now to the point that almost everyone at the end of DBS from the Z fighters will probably surpass Uub or atleast be on his level. So i doubt Goku will hold any more interest for him, rather than to his new rival Hit or other gods in different universes.ABED wrote:I wish Uub had never been created.
Plus they completely ruined Uub potential in GT and made him into a fodder because at the end of the day, Goku as the main character will always be the biggest selling point of dragon ball in general.
Mr. Buu was considered a strong contender to be in the tournament and he's also weaker than Kid Buu/Uub.
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I don't believe for a second that Toriyama's mentions of a Black Goku have anything to do with the character's ethnicity. Especially since he's been mentioned at the same time to be a villain. It's probably just a darker colored Goku with the same features as the original. We've seen this before.
If by some unbelievable chance, the character was distinctly African in features, I'd definitely have problems with that, but again, that seems like the most unlikely scenario.
If by some unbelievable chance, the character was distinctly African in features, I'd definitely have problems with that, but again, that seems like the most unlikely scenario.
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Is it an American thing to immediately associate the word black with ethnicity? Maybe I'm naive but I'm sure 90% of people would think black means dark and thus evil Goku. That being said I don't think Toriyama is gonna go for something so shallow, he usually subverts expectations with stuff this plain.
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I think it is at least partly due to being American. The definition of black as dark isn't as prominent (black tea, blackberries, black hole, black magic, blacktop, black board) due to culture as black as ethnicity is. When it comes to the definition of "black meaning dark" I definitely hear that definition more in manga and anime than I do in anything created in the U.S.; at least from my personal experience.Ohms wrote:Is it an American thing to immediately associate the word black with ethnicity? Maybe I'm naive but I'm sure 90% of people would think black means dark and thus evil Goku. That being said I don't think Toriyama is gonna go for something so shallow, he usually subverts expectations with stuff this plain.
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In the US, it is generally considered socially acceptable to call a person of African descent "black" and a person of European-Caucasian decent "white," so there is a strong association here.Ohms wrote:Is it an American thing to immediately associate the word black with ethnicity? Maybe I'm naive but I'm sure 90% of people would think black means dark and thus evil Goku. That being said I don't think Toriyama is gonna go for something so shallow, he usually subverts expectations with stuff this plain.
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But he was created and GT (Goku Time) destroyed all of his potential and treated him like shit.ABED wrote:I wish Uub had never been created.
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I agree, The problem with Uub is that he just doesnt fit in with the whole DBS storyline. The reason why Goku originally wanted to reincarnate kid buu into a human was because he saw the potentional of power in him. But as we know now. Goku is literally light years ahead of Buu now to the point that almost everyone at the end of DBS from the Z fighters will probably surpass Uub or atleast be on his level. So i doubt Goku will hold any more interest for him, rather than to his new rival Hit or other gods in different universes.
Plus they completely ruined Uub potential in GT and made him into a fodder because at the end of the day, Goku as the main character will always be the biggest selling point of dragon ball in general.
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He has no potential and he was never interesting. Instead of concentrating on the characters he did have, Toriyama created a new character and expects us to care about him even if only because Goku does? I'm happy GT "wasted his potential".
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He has great potential, that was the whole point of that ending and ofc Goku Time wasted that, that garbage of a series cant get anything right.ABED wrote:He has no potential and he was never interesting. Instead of concentrating on the characters he did have, Toriyama created a new character and expects us to care about him even if only because Goku does? I'm happy GT "wasted his potential".
And how was he "never interesting" when he appeared in 2 chapters, and even that is giving him too much credit, only the last chapter was about Oob.
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of course goku will be pleased with a powerful new enemy given goku always wanted to fight the strongest enemies like beerus, champa, or hit.
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He has ZERO potential. I have no interest in seeing a new character when there are plenty of opportunities to use older ones. And can we stop with the Goku Time knock? Are you really that annoyed that the main character gets the overwhelming bulk of the focus? It's like complaining that only Superman saves the day in his own series. He was never interesting because there's nothing interesting about him and I don't like how the series ended. Goku is happy because he has someone strong to fight with, but I'm unhappy because he's leaving everyone to be with this dumb little kid.Kuririn Fan wrote:He has great potential, that was the whole point of that ending and ofc Goku Time wasted that, that garbage of a series cant get anything right.ABED wrote:He has no potential and he was never interesting. Instead of concentrating on the characters he did have, Toriyama created a new character and expects us to care about him even if only because Goku does? I'm happy GT "wasted his potential".
And how was he "never interesting" when he appeared in 2 chapters, and even that is giving him too much credit, only the last chapter was about Oob.
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