Let's steer the topic away from its inane, badly-typed current course...
Keep in mind that my last catch-up post from the other night was made in multiple sessions over the course of a week or two... so some of my answers may have ended up a little self-contradictory.
apex_pretador wrote:God implied that goku didn't "need" to take his weights off to beat tenshinhan, and that was before he knew of goku's true abilities and power.
SS gotenks himself got exploded by a ghost but was brely damaged. I'd say that the potency of the ghosts is explosion and it is better against "buu type" beings because of their body.
How come bora has strength advantage over BOTH Yamu and spopovich and 22nd TB goku and krillin don't, when they are so far above bora that they can kill him in one hit? Even a 21st TB, goku and krillin working together should be comparable to bora.
— Did he now?
*Checks his manga* Well I'll be durned, you're right — even before removing the weights, Goku was barely trying and still had the edge on Tenshinhan. I remembered that, but I guess I thought that if Goku
wanted to take the weights off to fight Ten better, they he might actually
need to remove them to beat Kami. I guess that may not be the case, but he'd at least still be better off doing so.
— Not to pull the "gag card," but the bit with Gotenks' ghosts blowing up in his own face was really just for laughs, like Lunch riddling people with bullet holes or something. Either way, the Kamikaze Ghosts still pack a pretty potent punch despite Gotenks' lesser power level in that scenario. The power level difference between SS3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan is pretty small, so in the match-up described I'm sure they'd be able to seriously mess up Gohan. Even Vegetto chose to dodge and detonate Boo's ghosts from afar rather than try to tank them.
— This is a combination of me mis-remembering my prior answer
and mistakenly thinking it said the 21st tournament for Goku and Kuririn rather than the 22nd. I'd say Goku and Kuririn from the 22nd would almost certainly have a raw strength advantage over Spopovich and Yamu, but they'd probably still have a hard time with their zombie resiliency.
Smilodon wrote:Fat Gotenks vs Piccolo (boo saga)?
Skinny Gotenks vs Kuririn(boo saga)?
Goku Oozaru(who killed Granpa Gohan) vs Muten Roshi(21º TB) - Hand-to-hand fight?
Goku with heart problem vs Piccolo?
Mai vs Satan?
Nappa vs 4 Generic Namekian fighters?
Hungry Goku (from episode 1) vs Monaka?
— I don't think even regular, successfully-formed base Gotenks is anywhere near as strong as Piccolo. Fat Gotenks gets his rotund ass kicked.
— My gut says that both failed versions of Gotenks are complete weaklings and even Kuririn could probably beat them.
— In terms of power level they'd be equal, but without the privilege of ki attacks, Muten Roshi's not winning a melee-only fight with a 10-story tall primate monster.
— Piccolo's more than strong enough to withstand Goku's progressively weaker attacks and win in the end.
— Depends on if Mai is packing heat or not, though I supposed if we allowed her guns then Mr. Satan would be allowed them too. Without any firearms, obviously The Champ wins.
— Three highly-skilled powers of roughly 3,000 can overcome a sloppy and overconfident power of 4,000. At least eventually, given his durability. He'd most likely bring down at least one of them with him.
— So far, Monaka's been portrayed as a complete and utter weakling with no noteworthy strength at all. Unless that changes, I'm sure an average Saiyan child could kick his ass.
TenshinFan wrote:Everyone's away on Namek and Garlic Jr. wakes up early. Can he be stopped?
If the Makyo Star is powering him up, then Garlic is too strong for anyone remaining on Earth to fight directly. Their only hope is for Kami or Roshi to successfully seal him away with the Mafuba or for Devilman's Devilmite Beam to somehow cripple Garlic despite his immortality. If the Makyo Star
isn't a factor, then Yajrirobe can probably beat Garlic into submission.
apex_pretador wrote:- Kid gohan, Super perfect cell, M vegeta, SS2 goku, SS gotenks (pre), super Bojack , Buu arc piccolo, base gotenks (post) VS SS3 goku (dead).
- Goku, M Vegeta, Gohan (SS2, buu arc) vs SS gotenks pre
- Goku, M Vegeta (SS2 , buu arc), Kid gohan , M10 broly , SPC vs Fat buu (pre)
- Goku and vegeta (SS2) vs fat buu (post split)
- Kid gohan vs buu arc piccolo , Kid goten, Kid trunks, future trunks (when he killed cell) , CG Goku , buu arc SS vegeta, green bojack, 4 cell jrs
- current base goku vs SS vegetto
— All these fighters are significantly weaker than Goku, averaging about a quarter of his strength
(with the drastically weaker base Gotenks dismissed as an outlier). The dead Goku doesn't suffer from SS3's power drain weakness, so after a short time being annoyed by their numbers, he eradicates the entire opposing team with a gigantic explosive wave attack. The only one who recovers from it is Cell, whom Goku still has more than enough power to finish off one-on-one.
— Gotenks is only a tiny bit stronger than SS2 Gohan, and a bit
weaker than SS2 Goku or Vegeta. All three of his adult SS2 opponents take turns pummeling him until he defuses.
— Boo probably still wins this one despite the numbers. He's got a signficant power advantage over any of them, and his stamina and regeneration are too broken for them to wear him down.
— If this form of Fat Boo is truly stuck with less than half of his previous power, then either Goku or Vegeta could probably take him out without too much difficulty. Both of them fighting him together just makes it a sure thing.
— Kid Gohan in which form? If it's regular SS1, then obviously he gets swarmed and taken down very quickly. If he's Super Saiyan 2, then the potent combination of Goku, Vegeta, and Bojack, with the rest as backup, wear him down before too long.
— Until something shows otherwise or I just completely 100% stop giving a crap about it, I'm sticking with the idea that Goku can choose whether or not to enhance his normal power with god-ki. So if he doesn't do that, then obviously Vegetto smokes him effortlessly. If he does, and is fighting at a similar strength level versus Freeza... then who knows? The power comparisons between all these folks hasn't been made clear.
TenshinFan wrote:Tullece (no fruit) vs Kwi
Nappa vs Selipa
Giant Lord Slug vs Piccolo+Nail fusion
Salza, Dore, Naise vs Cell Saga Ten, Kuririn, Yamcha
Ginger, Sansho, Nikki vs suicidal Chaozu
14 & 15 vs Metal Coola & Mecha Freeza
— The only number we have for Tullece is 19,000, which is a smidge stronger than Kwi's 18,000. Tullece is going to have some natural durability and strength advantages as a Saiyan, and he seems like the more skilled one too... so I'll give the fight to him.
— Selypa may be a little stronger, but Nappa's insane durability will probably let him win. He might have more going for him in skill and experience too.
— I'm thinking this Slug is actually around as strong as 2nd-form Freeza, so this would be a close fight that could go either way.
— The Armored Squad has the power advantage — they average around 175k while I think only Kuririn surpassed 150k at his peak. But the Earthlings
might be able to pull something off with their special techniques. The odds aren't anywhere near in their favor though.
— If Chaozu somehow got all 3 of Garlic's cronies within the blast radius, then his explosion would probably at least cripple them all.
— It's a little tough to place the Movie 7 Androids, but the Android-arc Super Saiyans were able to take them down with moderate difficulty once they got serious. I'm guessing each one is probably close to 100% Freeza's strength, so the two of them working together could probably take down Cyborg Freeza.
In Brightest Day wrote:- Android #18 vs. SSJ Son Goku (Android arc, healthy).
- Mr. Boo vs. Paikuhan.
- Bardocks crew (Toma, Selypa, Pambukin, Totepo) vs. Dr. Uiro's henchmen (Ebifurya, Kishime, Misokatsun).
- Garlic Jr's Spice Boys (Spice, Vinegar, Mustard, Salt) vs. Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Chaozu (all Revival of F).
- SSJ Son Gohan (hypothetical) vs. Piccolo (Android arc).
- Future Trunks (base, Trunks arc) vs. Vegeta (Trunks arc).
— Healthy or not, Goku's not strong enough to take on Eighteen. Vegeta was actually stronger than him, and he still got his ass kicked once Eighteen got serious.
— If it's the less-than-half-power Mr. Boo, then Paikuhan can probably handle him.
— It'd be a tough fight, but the Saiyans' strength in numbers will most likely prevail.
— Knowing enough about what the "Spice Boys" can do to answer this would require watching the Garlic Junior arc. Pass.
— I figure Gohan's about as strong in base as the other Saiyans here, and the only thing holding him back at this point is his lack of Super Saiyan. If he suddenly gains it, then he
might end up stronger than Piccolo, but wouldn't necessarily win the fight.
— Trunks is more or less on-par with Goku, and Vegeta hasn't caught up to either of them yet. Trunks wins.
In Brightest Day wrote:- Jaco vs. 3 Namekian warriors.
- Master Roshi (ROF) vs. 3 Namekian warriors.
- Tarble vs. 3 Namekian warriors.
- Kaioshin vs. SSJ Trunks.
- Tenshinhan vs. Krillin and Yamcha (all 23rd Budokai).
— If he's truly improved by the time of
Resurrection F like he seems, then he might be able to fight well against ONE of the Namekians. But no way he can take all three at once.
— Ditto. Muten Roshi's improved, but I sincerely doubt he's sporting the necessary PL of like 10,000 or so to beat all three Namekians.
— Which Trunks, Boo-arc kid Trunks? Kaioshin's stronger than him and has more special abilities in his repertoire too. He wins.
— Unless he lands a Kikoho, I doubt Ten wins. Kuririn is rapidly closing in on him by this point, and Yamcha would at least be useful backup.
Pocket-God wrote:~Bojack runs the Cell Games Gauntlet~
I consider Bojack's two states to be roughly as strong as Perfect Cell's normal and "full power" states from the Cell Games. So Bojack on his own, in both his states, gets as far as those two versions of Cell but loses because Cell's got him beat in the special abilities department. Bluejack might also be able to beat Captain Incompetence, a.k.a. Gohan. With his crew backing him up, Bojack manages to beat full-power Cell. But the next step after that is Super Perfect Cell, who's as strong as SS2 Gohan, and... well, we already saw in the movie how well Bojack stacks up against that type of power.
TenshinFan wrote:Paikuhan vs Super Bojack
Arqua and Froug vs Zangya and Gokua and the other guys
Tapion vs Kibitokai
Grandpa Gohan vs Tsuru Sen'nin
Chi Chi (23rd) vs Tao Pai Pai (non cyborg)
Hyper Metal Rilldo vs SSj3 Gotenks, Buu Saga Piccolo, SS1 Gohan (GT)
Tenshinhan (Cell Saga) vs Captain Ginyu
GT Pan & EoZ Uub vs Super Janenba
— If Paikuhan beat Cell, then he can beat Bojack too.
— Filler. Pass.
— Tapion's power is mostly a mystery. I assigned him a number at random for my movies list, which
happens to be exactly to my number for Kibito... but it's entirely arbitrary. There's no actual factual way to know how Tapion's strength compares to others folks.
— Dunno... my gut says Grandpa Gohan, for some reason.
— Chi-Chi might have the raw power, but she hasn't shown proficiency for ki attacks and advanced techniques like Tao Pai Pai has. I could see Tao being backed into a corner but then turning the tables via a well-aimed Dodonpa or something.
— GT. Pass.
— I don't think Ten quite has the raw power to go mano-a-mano with Captain Ginyu yet in the Cell arc. Maybe by the Boo arc or beyond instead.
— More GT. I don't even want to take the idea of Pan being a match for friggin' Super Janemba seriously. Pass.
. Well I wrote it to be taken as gt and super are separate series. Honestly I see End of dragon ball z still having sense and dbs base goku is at the best buu arc ultimate gohan level.
