The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[apex_pretador]

GT Frieza vs GT Mr. Buu and GT Uub (Baby arc, prior to merging with Mr. Buu)
GT Cell vs GT Mr. Buu and GT Uub (Baby arc, prior to merging with Mr. Buu)
GT Piccolo vs GT Mr. Buu and GT Uub (Baby arc, prior to merging with Mr. Buu)

GT Frieza, GT Cell, and GT Piccolo (all Super 17 arc) vs Base Vegeta (Baby arc), Base Gohan (Super 17 arc), SSJ Goten (Super 17 arc).

GT Uub is very likely superior to base goku, who curbstomped both cell & freeza at the same time.
He beats them at the same time.

Piccolo vs uub is same deal - piccolo is below base gohan (baby), who is nothing to uub.

Base vegeta is the strongest here , likely well below base goku however. But again, since piccolo is above freeza and cell combined, I'd say he is the strongest by super 17 arc in his team, and likely above base gohan by now. SS goten is nothing to either of these people , but base vegeta, well, I can't say for sure, but since piccolo is my favourite character and freeza 2nd fav, they win.
Very close IMO.

Please try to justify your answers or there's no point in reading them. Anyway, three fights:

Future Android #18 and Future Android #17 vs Android #17

Yamcha and Kuririn (First Arc) vs Son Goku (First Arc) - No knowledge of the tail weakness

Base Goku and Base Vegeta(BoG) vs Freeza (Namek Arc)

Yeah, detailed answers are always better.

- The power of future androids is based on speculation only. However, going by the reaction of trunks to vegeta, I'd say vegeta is very close to either of androids individually (future).
The power gap between 17 and vegeta is huge enough to get him down in 2-3 shots. I think 17 can get F 18 down quickly enough to beat future 17 comfortably.
#17

- Yamcha is strong enough to last in a fight against goku one on one, and adding krillin, who can fight goku for several moments, I can see goku losing unless he has noy-bo

- Freeza (namek) is strong enough to be nearly impossible for base goku to beat. One thing worth noting is that the highest power level sensed by goku for freeza at this point is a heavily weakened freeza (by genki dama). Adding nvegeta will only prolong the inevitable. However, goku can use kaioken times twenty and win the fight.

[DanielSSJ]

Krillin being a practical non-threat due to being lousy in martial arts

While I agree with you on the whole, I don't think someone who could take out a saber-toothed tiger in one hit is lousy at martial arts.

[Khin]

I was absent from this thread for a long time, unfortunately it appears for the most part to have kept the less than five words answers, which don't provide any possibility for discussion. Turning this into a list posting thread, which doesn't really comply to this forum rules.

Please try to justify your answers or there's no point in reading them. Anyway, three two fights:

Future Android #18 and Future Android #17 vs Android #17
Base Goku and Base Vegeta(BoG) vs Freeza (Namek Arc)

I admit i was one of those people who just make my contributions in this thread as simply "Goku one shots", "Beerus finger flicks" or something like that. But these days, i try to keep myself from making those kind of contributions as much as possible.

— Bulma and Trunks' initial plan was to bring Goku in their timeline so he and Trunks can fight the Androids together, this supports the fact that Trunks said he can at least do well against the Future Androids, which led me to believe that they aren't that much stronger than Goku and Trunks. Piccolo was implied to be above than the two, who is significantly below than Vegeta, who got wrecked by Present #18, who is weaker than Present #17. So yeah, Present #17 wins this one quite easily.

— Since Beerus said it was impossible for Goku to beat Freeza in his regular form, there should be a big gap between the two. However, Freeza has stamina issues. so If Goku and Vegeta plays smart and try to take advantage to that big weakness, they should be able to win this with high difficulty. Buuut, if Freeza decides to blow the planet off as soon as he's about to die like in RoF, Vegeta and Goku are done.

[LightBing]

Aren't you guys underestimating Kuririn? He has some impressive feats: defeating the Saber-Tooth Tiger, jumping a very large distance from the boat to Kame-Sennin's island and not being that much slower than Goku in the 100 meters dash.
His problem is that he lacks confidence, he might been already stronger than the bullies at his temple but his lack of confidence obstructed his reasoning. At the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai he still feared them, even with the proven amazing results of his training.

That said, Yamcha was even with hungry Goku. The Hyena at the time had no problem using weapons, Kuririn also shows his intelligence, outsmarting Goku. Due to this they have a very good chance. I don't see Goku that much stronger.

[DanielSSJ]

Aren't you guys underestimating Kuririn? He has some impressive feats: defeating the Saber-Tooth Tiger, jumping a very large distance from the boat to Kame-Sennin's island and not being that much slower than Goku in the 100 meters dash.
His problem is that he lacks confidence, he might been already stronger than the bullies at his temple but his lack of confidence obstructed his reasoning. At the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai he still feared them, even with the proven amazing results of his training.

That said, Yamcha was even with hungry Goku. The Hyena at the time had no problem using weapons, Kuririn also shows his intelligence, outsmarting Goku. Due to this they have a very good chance. I don't see Goku that much stronger.

When Goku and Kuririn had that one little scuffle over Roshi's rock, Kuririn was shown to be completely incapable of competing with Goku. Sure, Goku wasn't much faster than Kuririn, but he was much stronger. Kuririn even calls Goku's strength ridiculous after said scuffle. And wouldn't his lack of confidence be a detriment in this fight?

Anyway, the main reason I sided with Goku was because I assumed that he has his Nyoi Bo and could use the Kamehameha at this point. The human team might be able to work something out, but the magic staff and the ki technique put the odds in Goku's favor, in my opinion.

[MaxZ]

17 VS 18

Personally I've always doubted 17's claims of superiority, due to his egotistical personality, and there aren't really any feats to suggest that he's actually more powerful.

[Tyro]

17 VS 18

Personally I've always doubted 17's claims of superiority, due to his egotistical personality, and there aren't really any feats to suggest that he's actually more powerful.

It's stated on one of the title pages that #18 was built with suppressed power compared to #17 (most likely an experiment by Dr. Gero to see if he could control them if he reduced their power by just a little). So #17 wins this fight.

[beerus1028]

Opinions? I think Omega.

[Saiyan007]

Beerus in a curbstomp episodes 12 -14 of Super solidified why the God tiers are massively above anything in GT

[beerus1028]

Omega was going to destroy the universe without any help.

[LightBing]

17 VS 18

90%/10% - The narrator tell us #17 is the stronger twin, by how much we don't know. I think he's not that insanely stronger than her. Which is why I gave #18 a 10% chance to win. By taking advantage of his brother cockiness and knowledge of his fighting style.
Still #17 is no dummy, he was able to adapt to Piccolo despite their even power and with his ego affecting him. He's largely favored to get the win.

[Saiyan007]

Omega was going to destroy the universe without any help.

Yes over time not the same thing as one shotting it.

Beerus and Goku at the end of episode 13 according to the narrator were hitting each other again and again with the power to destroy the universe,Goku also destroyed Beeru's sphere of destruction with a punch which had more energy in it than thier beam clash that was about to destroy the universe.

Beerus and Goku can throw around universal damage by themselves

Not too mention Beerus in this fight was heaviliy suppressed.

Beerus isn't even allowed to fight his brother because that would mean the destruction of universe 6 AND 7

Shenron is hilariously outmatched

[DanielSSJ]

17 VS 18

Personally I've always doubted 17's claims of superiority, due to his egotistical personality, and there aren't really any feats to suggest that he's actually more powerful.

Seventeen is indeed the stronger of the two, but not by much. He has a very slim advantage but it could still go either way rather easily, especially considering the infinite energy thing. 60/40 in favor of Seventeen.

[TheMikado]

The way Super is written, Beerus not to mention Whis, Vados, or the Onmi King.
Consequently this also shows the reason Batman is infinitely more likeable than Superman.

[Kuririn Fan]

The way Super is written, Beerus not to mention Whis, Vados, or the Onmi King.
Consequently this also shows the reason Batman is infinitely more likeable than Superman.

Beerus is also likeable, he's a great character.
Broli vs Hit

[Lord Beerus]

Broli vs Hit

Doesn't matter what version of Broly comes across Hit. Hit will annihilate him before he can even scream "Kakarot".

[In Brightest Day]

Some more fights :

- Dr. Uiro's henchmen (Ebifurya, Kishime, Misokatsun) vs. 3 Namekian warriors.
- Garlic Junior (film 1) vs. Yajirobe (post-Kami training).
- Kid Boo vs. Mr. Boo and Kibitoshin.
- Master Roshi (RRA arc) vs. The Red Ribbon Army.

[DanielSSJ]

Some more fights :

- Dr. Uiro's henchmen (Ebifurya, Kishime, Misokatsun) vs. 3 Namekian warriors.
- Garlic Junior (film 1) vs. Yajirobe (post-Kami training).
- Kid Boo vs. Mr. Boo and Kibitoshin.
- Master Roshi (RRA arc) vs. The Red Ribbon Army.

- According to the Movie 2 pamphlet, the bio warriors all have superior power levels to the Namekians (Misokatsun: 4,300; Ebifurya: 7,500; Kishime: 7,000). That, plus their special abilities and teamwork skills let them take out the Namekians easily.
- Based on Garlic Junior's performance against Goku and Piccolo, I'd say he's probably not too much stronger than them. Yajirobe could probably overpower him without too much trouble. The only problem is that pesky immortality thing, but it doesn't actually seem to provide any regenerative abilities, so I guess Yajirobe could incapacitate him with that sword of his. Garlic will regret his wish.
- In my eyes, Kibitoshin is on the low end of the Super Saiyan 2 tier, as is Mr. Boo. Pure Boo is at least 4x stronger than them and finds it incredibly easy to waste them at the same time.
- After hearing how Goku decimated the Red Ribbon Army, Roshi himself was doubtful that he could pull such a feat off himself.

Chapter: 97, P10.1-6
Kame-sennin: “He wiped out the entire Red Ribbon Army on his own…I don’t think even I have the stamina to take on such a large military force...Ho ho ho… He is an inestimable lad already…and I suspect he has a long way to go yet!”

I guess he could try blasting them all away with a full power Kamehameha, but that failed in the Path to Power (non-canon retelling, I know, but whatever). That, plus Roshi's own words lead me to believe that quantity would prevail against quality in this setup, though Roshi would cripple them in the process.

[MaxZ]

17 VS 18

Personally I've always doubted 17's claims of superiority, due to his egotistical personality, and there aren't really any feats to suggest that he's actually more powerful.

It's stated on one of the title pages that #18 was built with suppressed power compared to #17 (most likely an experiment by Dr. Gero to see if he could control them if he reduced their power by just a little). So #17 wins this fight.

was that written by Toriyama?

sorry if I'm ignorant, I've yet to read the manga but I'm planning too

[Polyphase Avatron]

Whis vs. Hit.

Because some people in another thread are arguing about it.