Would you have ended the franchise ?

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Would you have ended the franchise ?

Post by sintzu » Tue May 31, 2016 3:14 pm

It's no secret that everything released after Path to Power has received mixed reactions from fans, some love that the franchise has lived on past the manga and some don't, saying that it should've ended back in the day.

If you could go back in time and prevent it from continuing, would you ? you can't pick and chose so either GT and everything after it goes or stays.

This doesn't count merchandise, just completely new anime and manga material.

I love this franchise too much to put it 6ft under but what about all of you ? would it have been best to end it after path to power ?
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Re: Would you have ended the franchise ?

Post by Nejishiki » Tue May 31, 2016 3:21 pm

I think people have the right to enjoy Dragon Ball's other adaptions even I don't grow to like it myself. Furthermore, I would never want to stifle Toriyama, or any artists, work by guaranteeing that their franchise dies off even if they eventually end up finding new inspirations in their endeavors. If I had the chance to alter history, I would simply let it be.

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Re: Would you have ended the franchise ?

Post by Xeztin » Tue May 31, 2016 3:36 pm

I wouldn't change a thing except maybe having Super premier a few years earlier. I love all the DB material whether it be by Toriyama or not. It's a truly simple yet diverse world at the same time. If it was up to me it'd never end, though I honestly don't think it will. When Toriyama's done there will probably be a lot of spin-offs or something. If they can't let Naruto die, just wait until One Piece ends.

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Re: Would you have ended the franchise ?

Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Tue May 31, 2016 3:47 pm

YES YES YES and YES I would end the franchise after Path to Power. I enjoy GT for what it is a side story but still I would let it go.I don't like the new stuff I just don't like it that much. I love the franchise just as another DB fan but the new stuff(Kai included) doesn't have the vibe that made DB special to me. Even GT had that vibe somewhat.


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Re: Would you have ended the franchise ?

Post by FortuneSSJ » Tue May 31, 2016 3:49 pm

Never. Let it live forever.

As a man that was satisfied with GT perfect endingm and thus, never asked for the series to come back, I'm enjoying the ride and now I don't want it to stop.
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I would only change Super schedule, because it's beyond logic how the most famous anime franchise worlwide has a new series with potential, but can't keep up with nowadays standards and it's getting ruined by greed.
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Re: Would you have ended the franchise ?

Post by funrush » Tue May 31, 2016 4:07 pm

Nope. GT onwards hasn't hurt the franchise's reputation, and you can just ignore them if you don't like them. And on a personal level, I had a great time seeing the recent two movies in the theater.

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Re: Would you have ended the franchise ?

Post by Gaffer Tape » Tue May 31, 2016 4:18 pm

Yes, definitely. If something comes to an end, I feel it should only come back for a very, very good reason. And while I've enjoyed a lot of what's come later, none of it has made me go, "Geez, I would be really disappointed if this didn't exist."

I do find it odd you choose the 10th anniversary movie as your cutoff point but lump GT on the other side. I mean, the movie came out during GT's run and featured GT's music and art style. How can you count one and not the other?
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Re: Would you have ended the franchise ?

Post by sintzu » Tue May 31, 2016 4:23 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote: I do find it odd you choose the 10th anniversary movie as your cutoff point but lump GT on the other side. I mean, the movie came out during GT's run and featured GT's music and art style. How can you count one and not the other?
That movie was released after GT's 4th episodes which means they started production on it at least a year before Z ended so it was going to be released with or without GT.

It was also just a one time thing to celebrate the anime's 10th anniversary unlike GT and the new material which are made to go on for as long as possible and introduce new elements to the dragon ball lore.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue May 31, 2016 4:27 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:Yes, definitely. If something comes to an end, I feel it should only come back for a very, very good reason. And while I've enjoyed a lot of what's come later, none of it has made me go, "Geez, I would be really disappointed if this didn't exist."
This is a really good way to sum up my feelings of Super. It's got some lovely stuff, but nothing that'd make me sad if none of it existed. I was already content with the series end some time ago. I felt the movie format was good enough to tell stories.
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Re: Would you have ended the franchise ?

Post by precita » Tue May 31, 2016 4:36 pm

I would have still had the Beerus movie happen at least. I really like Beerus and Whis and the whole concept of there being even higher gods with incredible power is interesting, as well as the 12 universe concept.

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Re: Would you have ended the franchise ?

Post by ekrolo2 » Tue May 31, 2016 4:38 pm

The new material isn't doing enough of pushing the series forward with any noteworthy or praise worthy developments so I think it could've very well stayed dead. Its not like there aren't other things like video games doing stuff to hold us over for forever.
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Re: Would you have ended the franchise ?

Post by Lord Beerus » Tue May 31, 2016 5:10 pm

As long as good stories and continuations are being pitched and handle properly, why can't Dragon Ball go on forever? It's not like Dragon Ball has an expiry date as to which there can be no more addition made to franchise after a certain time or period. There are quite a few multimedia franchises that have gone on for decades, and while there will always been ruff patches during those long periods, with every new potential concept, there can be an expansion made on the story to possibly carry it forward for many years.

So, no. I would not have ended the franchise. If there are new Dragon Ball stories, give them a chance before you disregard them.

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Re: Would you have ended the franchise ?

Post by Bullza » Tue May 31, 2016 5:54 pm

No I wouldn't. If I didn't like or want to see the new stuff that's come out since GT then I just wouldn't watch it.

There's things I'd change obviously but I'm fine with how it is now.

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Re: Would you have ended the franchise ?

Post by TheGreatness25 » Wed Jun 01, 2016 12:03 am

I'm the type of person who likes finality and closure. I like knowing that there's a definite end to something and if I truly love it, I hold onto those memories and get the merchandise, put it away, and bam -- my childhood is in a box (so to speak) that I can revisit whenever I want to soak in the nostalgia.

My problem is that I cannot divide the series. To me, my loyalty to a series will not allow me to say, "Well I like this, this, and this, but absolutely detest that, so I'll just like this, this, and this, and I'll ignore that." To me, DB -- from volume one of the manga and episode one of Dragon Ball all the way through GT, the movies, and everything -- is one big series that I'm a fan of. Sure, some pieces of it was better than others, but overall, I am a fan of Dragon Ball. I'll deal with the bad filler and the inaccurate dub and the dumb things in GT that don't really make sense, and I'll deal with all of that because as a whole, I love Dragon Ball and those things are a part of Dragon Ball. The issue that I have is that I am not a fan of the new stuff coming out for it; I'm absolutely not interested. Because I look at Dragon Ball as a whole, it's very difficult for me to allow myself to love the old stuff and just kind of ignore the new stuff. The new stuff is a part of Dragon Ball regardless if Akira Toriyama wrote it or Johnny the part time gas station worker wrote it; it's still a part of Dragon Ball. I never cared enough about who wrote what or the political behind-the-scenes gaga that went on to splice up the series the way many fans have done. So my issue is that if I look at everything that carries the name "Dragon Ball" as one single entity and I dislike what that entity has brought in the last few years, then it's really, really starting to destroy my love for the series as a whole. Now I know that's kind of strange, but that's how I look at it. To me, the second Akira Toriyama gave control of his franchise to Toei, whatever they do is still a stamp on the legacy of the series. Now Akira Toriyama wanted to continue the story in his vision, but to me, it matters not if it's him or not him; I still don't like the content.

So to sum it all up, yes, I really, really, really wish that the series ended at some point -- at any point. I'm the type of person that likes finality. A story begins and a story ends. Most of the time when a story is revived after its intended end, it's usually a bunch of crap that's thrown at a wall to see what sticks. I will now be the guy collecting Dragon Ball blu-rays indefinitely when I should've been done with that a long time ago; yes, I'm not interested in Super, but I am that ridiculous fan who will still get the blu-rays when (or if) they come out in the United States.

However, that is extremely selfish and if the new material is bringing in new fans and making people generally happy, then my opinion really doesn't matter. I would think that it would be better to just write another story and leave Dragon Ball alone. I would create a story about gods and powers and alternate universes and basically do Super without it being Dragon Ball and without using its characters because it's not like Super really uses all of that DB lore as more than just trivial stuffing in the episodes. It wasn't absolutely necessary for this to be a Dragon Ball story. I'd feel a lot better about that. But it is what it is and as long as people enjoy it, then great. Hopefully a series that brought so much joy and happiness to me as a child can do that for some other kids. But as far as I'm concerned, I'd be shocked if I ever really watch another episode of Dragon Ball again and that is kind of a sad though. Once again, that might sound drastic or going too far, but that's how I feel.

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Re: Would you have ended the franchise ?

Post by JulieYBM » Wed Jun 01, 2016 12:18 am

I would go back in time and assassinate JFK, of course.

Frankly, I see no reason to end the franchise if someone has something they personally have interest in doing working on a project.
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Re: Would you have ended the franchise ?

Post by RedRibbonSoldier#42 » Wed Jun 01, 2016 12:49 am

I don't mind the series continuing. I like Super, but even if i didn't i wouln't feel like it shouldn't exist. I don't want to erase GT despite my low opinion of it. As long as the story keeps going forward, they can do what they want. Db never had a goal, like finding a one piece, so it has no hard endpoint. But as soon as they start "rebooting", I'll go to Japan and start dropkicking, Godzilla style.

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Re: Would you have ended the franchise ?

Post by TekTheNinja » Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:14 am

I'd keep it going still. I despise Super, but it still paves the way for more stuff in DB video games and stuff so it's not ALL bad.

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Re: Would you have ended the franchise ?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:35 am

Unfortunately, probably yes. Although it would be a tough decision.
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Re: Would you have ended the franchise ?

Post by MaxZ » Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:59 am

I want it to continue. I'm very excited for June 12th

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Re: Would you have ended the franchise ?

Post by Cipher » Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:26 am

It did end. Twice. In 1995 and '97.

I'll reserve judgment on the new material until it's over, though Battle of Gods was a lovely standalone piece either way. At the very least, everything's a little removed from the feeling of the series' first outing. As much as it seems like it could have fit the manga right after the Boo arc if helmed consistently by Toriyama, that's something we'll never get to see, and what we have does have artifacts of the anime-only approach and twenty-year content gap. And it's definitely unnecessary (as is GT, but it's such a part of its time that it's interesting in many ways in its own right).

So, judgement on all the post-Battle of Gods stuff notwithstanding, Dragon Ball was one series that wrapped in '95 or '97, and offered two very viable endings. Everything from the original manga to GT is very of-its-era, and the story's complete. Remakes are inevitable and harmless, as are imaginative offshoots in merchandise, I guess, so I wouldn't say I'd put a stop to those (plus, keeping attention on the series so that the manga and video releases stay in print is fantastic; I certainly like that the story's readily available). And, barring the new Toriyama-Toei stuff, that's more or less all we've gotten since its ending. But I'm not even remotely clamoring to see the fiction itself franchised--there's no reason to expand the story we have.
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