Well, as expressed above, I have a hard time placing Piccolo as high as the 3,000s simply because he thought that Nappa tanking the Kikoho (which I believe is weaker than 2,800) was because he was immortal (not literally, obviously, but he still thought it should've killed Nappa, which I don't think makes sense if he himself is higher than it). He also said that Gohan's power surpasses his own if he concentrates, which I interpret as Gohan's 2,800 level being > Piccolo.LightBing wrote:To elaborate, you could bump Piccolo in the Saiyan arc and the humans as well. You seem to follow the idea that Piccolo fusion is x2, following what the Grand Elder said he should be about half of Nappa. I like your Nappa number, so Piccolo at 3xxx would be excellent.
Trunks told Freeza and Cold to come at him at full power and expressed confidence in taking both of them down at once. You could argue that he doesn't know how strong Freeza is (although it's completely possible for him to know), but I just assume that the author's intent here is that Trunks is significantly stronger. It helps to emphasize how strong the new enemy (the Androids that are even stronger than the Super Saiyan that just easily defeated Freeza) is.LightBing wrote:You already know I disagree about Mirai Trunks, no point to get into it again. But Goku and Trunks are way too high! Freeza is still a reference, he has to be much closer to them. When Trunks called Goku amazing, he talked "this is the sword that killed Freeza", something along those lines that highlight Freeza as a pretty amazing foe still.
I don't really take into account new material when discussing the manga. And I realize that's contradictory since I included Battle of Gods in this list, but that was mainly for fun. I don't actually take anything from it very seriously and as far as the manga alone goes, Freeza vs. Base is ambiguous.LightBing wrote:I strongly disagree with Base Saiyans>Freeza. Beerus statement is the final nail in the coffin for me this regarding this.
Majin Boo put up quite a good fight against SS3 Goku, so I can't see him being too much weaker. Not only that, but even when he lost over half of his power, he still put up a significantly better fight than Vegeta against Pure Boo (even excluding regeneration).LightBing wrote:I have Majin Boo as a little more than 2x SSJ2 Gohan, since that was how much it was necessary to bring Boo to full power.
Gohan filled a little under half of Boo's meter to be restored, but I don't think that was necessarily Boo's full power. I only think that it was the energy necessary to revive Boo.
Well, I can't make sense of it regardless since Evil Boo is significantly stronger than Fat Boo regardless of whatever gap someone has, and he's made up of the same components as Fat Boo. I guess that a Boo eating a Boo just has some abnormal effect and is not additive, similar to absorbing Kaioshins.LightBing wrote:I can't see how Evil Boo obtained such power simply by eating Good Boo, it's insane and lacks a decent explanation for it. Specially since you believe Boo's absorption to be an addition and even if Boo ate Boo, we see him absorbed like the others.
EDIT: Lowered post-Zeta Sword Gohan.