"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[alakazam^]

Hope she's Mai's daughter and not Mai herself. would make more sense, right? I mean if somewhere near EoZ Pilaf and co made a wish to return to their old age, I'd assume Mai would be around what, 55 years old? I'd like to think she's around 5 years older than Bulma, give or take..

Guess women in their 50's are still able to get pregnant in DB. I bet Tights can get pregnant even though she's like 60

Anyways, as much as I'd want this Trunks to be the future version of the current timeline's Trunks, this isn't the case. So it's confirmed that this Trunks is the same one that defeated Cell.

I read that it's also stated somewhere that 17 had passed since Trunks returned to his future, but was it stated whether those 17 years transpired in Trunks's future or in the current timeline? Because if 17 passed in the future, that'd make future Trunks around 35 years old. He was 18 when he returned to his timeline and killed his timeline's Cell, right? As I said in my previous thread , Future Trunks doesn't look like a guy in his 30's, but then again, there's this saiyan genes issue

Unanswered questions at this point:
1. If that really is Mai, how is she so young? When exactly did Pilaf and friends wish for youth in Trunks's timeline?
2. If that really is Goku, how is he back? The Dragon Balls should not exist in Trunks's timeline
3. Is that a potara earring Goku's wearing? Did he fuse with someone? Is that why he's "evil"?

OT: Love Goku's smirk. Can't wait for the new saga. Hype is real Bravo Toriyama

Going by Eiko Yamada's tweet, I think that's really supposed to be Mai and not a relative or lookalike (a daughter called Mai maybe could work but probably not).

Even if that's hinting at their romance in Kami to Kami it's possible Toriyama could approach this in a different manner. For instance, Pilaf and Shuu could have been killed by 17 and 18 or Goku Black (maybe they approached him thinking it was the regular Goku) and Trunks saved Mai and she tagged along with him because Goku's friends are people she already knows and, going by Super, they've been keeping tabs on them ever since their last confrontation. This could mean that Mai isn't re-introduced as Trunks' love interest but their feeling might grow during the arc or she likes him but it's one-sided.

Toriyama did gave Trunks blue hair for Kami to Kami but, even if that's because he forgot he had purple hair, he went to see both movies anyway so he probably stuck with the blue hair because of Bulma or he thought it fitted him more.

What I find hilarious is that, if I remember correctly, the Dragon Ball Online staff wanted to create darker versions of the heroes but Shueisha would have none of it and now Toriyama creates Goku Black and just says "fuck it"

[sintzu]

Dragon Ball always got dark and sometimes emotional.

In the very 1st arc we find out that Goku stomped his grandfather to death and that's DB's most light hearted arc.

[pacz360]

What I find funny is that people think the girl by trunks is pan I mean come on gohan died in future trunks timeline therefore her existence nulled also why would she use a gun lol.

[alakazam^]

He's had a great many opportunities to point out how much of a stupid, amoral and reprehensible prick Goku is for years now and the closest he's come to ever criticize him for story purposes is in BoG. And that's only because Goku regressed into his pre-Popo self for a little while there. Goku's amorality and usually bad decision making could've been highlighted in F but F was a piece of crap so it ultimately went nowhere again.

Being the guy who's willing to point out his character is a dick puts him a cut above the "icon worshipers" for sure but they're both guilty of the same thing: they're not doing anything with it. What Goku needs is a Grant Morrison, a guy who'll have Goku realize his mistakes and evolve him somewhere just as Morrison (finally) had Batman, loner douche-bag realize he was never alone and got rid of that aspect of him.

Why should Toriyama do something with it? Goku's personality has been pointed out in the manga several times and, if it didn't go beyond it, it's because it doesn't need to. And saying that a successful movie like Fukkatsu no F is a piece of crap just because it didn't address an issue only you have doesn't make much sense.

[Neon Z]

What I find funny is that people think the girl by trunks is pan I mean come on gohan died in future trunks timeline therefore her existence nulled also why would she use a gun lol.

Gohan was basically an adult by the time he died though. They could easily retcon him into having a daughter in the future by the time he died. But, yeah, that's clearly not Pan.

[dbzfan7]

He's had a great many opportunities to point out how much of a stupid, amoral and reprehensible prick Goku is for years now and the closest he's come to ever criticize him for story purposes is in BoG. And that's only because Goku regressed into his pre-Popo self for a little while there. Goku's amorality and usually bad decision making could've been highlighted in F but F was a piece of crap so it ultimately went nowhere again.

Goku had a sorta character thing in BOG, which was kinda contradictory, but it was something. Goku now reminds me of why Jotaro is the worst Jojo, and yet he's the most popular for some reason. Don't get me wrong I like Jotaro, but he's a boring character. He's cool, but he's always the same from beginning to end. Jonathon and especially Joseph go through life changing experiences, and Jotaro from day 1 is the same as he ever was til Stardust was over. It made me realize how little I cared about him, and just waited for him to do cool shit. He was style over substance.

Goku can do all the cool or bizarre stuff he wants, but he's such a dull character to me now. I want to like him more, but I feel like it's the same shtick with him over and over. He's style over substance. He and Vegeta make this series feel like it's the after years, rather than a continuation. They don't feel like characters to me no more, but more like tools to show off some flashy action, and some humour every now and then. It's like I'm watching the animated adventure of what essentially was a kid playing with his toys, and making up some story for excuse for them to fight. It's entertaining to say the least, but feels so empty.

[FortuneSSJ]

-Kid Trunks x Mai-

This subplot can still happen in Super. It's not like Toei can't still make it happen.
Personally, they should have used Pilaf Gang in this "filler" arc and build up their relationship from there. They should already know for some weeks that this would be coming, so use these slice of life episodes to fix this would have been a good idea.

I don't know what they were thinking in BOG arc. They didn't even explained why Pilaf gang are kids again.

[successoroffate]

EDIT: Those earrings he's wearing are oddly familiar. I don't think those are Potara earrings. My guess is Demigra Mind controlling the Goku from another Universe. Yeah I agree with the rest saying that those Earrings resemble Demigra's.

Also, This evil Goku has a Xicor air all over him. I know it's not him but I remember Toriyama saying something in the lines of someone on the staff team pitching an idea that he ended up liking. I am putting my two cents and say that Toyotaro pitched the Evil Goku idea.

Mai...If we remember the wish that got them younger in appearance. They were still old inside but with a younger body. So this future Mai, she looks the same age as Trunks...but she's several years older than him...right?

[MaxZ]

so how is future Mai the right age for Trunks, this would presumably have required the Pilaf gang of the future to have wished for their youth too, either they made the wish correctly in the future, or they wished to be kids like 10 years prior to the present in Future Trunks' timeline

[kei17]

I really, really hate the idea of bringing back Future Trunks to battles just for their instant drama booster. He had already suffered enough in the past and it all ended with peace. His story was nicely, perfectly concluded. Why does he have to suffer even more? Don't drag him out thoughtlessly and just let him alone.

[dbzfan7]

so how is future Mai the right age for Trunks, this would presumably have required the Pilaf gang of the future to have wished for their youth too, either they made the wish correctly in the future, or they wished to be kids like 10 years prior to the present in Future Trunks' timeline

I don't really expect less from the land of tentacle hentai . Who knows what other bizarre fetishes there are besides cougars they'll do next? I smell child shipping coming next.

I really, really hate the idea of bringing back Future Trunks to battles just for their instant drama booster. He had already suffered enough in the past and it all ended with peace. His story was nicely, perfectly concluded. Why does he have to suffer even more? Don't drag him out thoughtlessly and just let him alone.

Because fanservice. Future Trunks coming back as well as Goku Black sounds like pure fanservice. It's quality we'll just have judge for ourselves when we see it.

[Khin]

Didn't Toriyama said in his "character secrets" page on Daizenshuu 7 that Pilaf Gang tried to make another attempt at world domination on around Age 767. Maybe on Trunks' timeline they wished to become young again before Piccolo was killed by the Androids , which explains why Future Mai looks the same age as Trunks. Trunks did said that many things have changed in the main timeline due to his appearance.

[pacz360]

so how is future Mai the right age for Trunks, this would presumably have required the Pilaf gang of the future to have wished for their youth too, either they made the wish correctly in the future, or they wished to be kids like 10 years prior to the present in Future Trunks' timeline

I don't really expect less from the land of tentacle hentai . Who knows what other bizarre fetishes there are besides cougars they'll do next? I smell child shipping coming next.

I really, really hate the idea of bringing back Future Trunks to battles just for their instant drama booster. He had already suffered enough in the past and it all ended with peace. His story was nicely, perfectly concluded. Why does he have to suffer even more? Don't drag him out thoughtlessly and just let him alone.

Because fanservice. Future Trunks coming back as well as Goku Black sounds like pure fanservice. It's quality we'll just have judge for ourselves when we see it.

Whats your expectations for this for arc honestly going in a 50/50 outlook?

[HeroR]

I really, really hate the idea of bringing back Future Trunks to battles just for their instant drama booster. He had already suffered enough in the past and it all ended with peace. His story was nicely, perfectly concluded. Why does he have to suffer even more? Don't drag him out thoughtlessly and just let him alone.

Well, given all the stuff that happened in the main timeline, it's a miracle that Trunks' time went so long without any incident. I mean, this is why the fandom keeps complaining about Gohan not training even when the world is peaceful.

[dbzfan7]

I don't really expect less from the land of tentacle hentai . Who knows what other bizarre fetishes there are besides cougars they'll do next? I smell child shipping coming next.

I really, really hate the idea of bringing back Future Trunks to battles just for their instant drama booster. He had already suffered enough in the past and it all ended with peace. His story was nicely, perfectly concluded. Why does he have to suffer even more? Don't drag him out thoughtlessly and just let him alone.

Because fanservice. Future Trunks coming back as well as Goku Black sounds like pure fanservice. It's quality we'll just have judge for ourselves when we see it.

Whats your expectations for this for arc honestly going in a 50/50 outlook?

I expect it to at least be alright. Fanfiction tropiest at it's finest, but I expect to at least find some things to enjoy. I think it can at least be an average arc.

[Kagari]

He's had a great many opportunities to point out how much of a stupid, amoral and reprehensible prick Goku is for years now and the closest he's come to ever criticize him for story purposes is in BoG. And that's only because Goku regressed into his pre-Popo self for a little while there. Goku's amorality and usually bad decision making could've been highlighted in F but F was a piece of crap so it ultimately went nowhere again.

Goku had a sorta character thing in BOG, which was kinda contradictory, but it was something. Goku now reminds me of why Jotaro is the worst Jojo, and yet he's the most popular for some reason. Don't get me wrong I like Jotaro, but he's a boring character. He's cool, but he's always the same from beginning to end. Jonathon and especially Joseph go through life changing experiences, and Jotaro from day 1 is the same as he ever was til Stardust was over. It made me realize how little I cared about him, and just waited for him to do cool shit. He was style over substance.

Goku can do all the cool or bizarre stuff he wants, but he's such a dull character to me now. I want to like him more, but I feel like it's the same shtick with him over and over. He's style over substance. He and Vegeta make this series feel like it's the after years, rather than a continuation. They don't feel like characters to me no more, but more like tools to show off some flashy action, and some humour every now and then. It's like I'm watching the animated adventure of what essentially was a kid playing with his toys, and making up some story for excuse for them to fight. It's entertaining to say the least, but feels so empty.

That's a good comparison. Off-topic but Part 3 was saved by its supporting cast at least who largely carried the show until the final battle. In DB's case I feel like Goku hasn't had much in the way of character growth since the end of the Cell games. Some people seem to be content with that but it's getting painfully obvious in Super something needs to happen - either to him or the rest of the main cast - to make things interesting. Here's to hoping the new arc achieves just that.

[dbzfan7]

He's had a great many opportunities to point out how much of a stupid, amoral and reprehensible prick Goku is for years now and the closest he's come to ever criticize him for story purposes is in BoG. And that's only because Goku regressed into his pre-Popo self for a little while there. Goku's amorality and usually bad decision making could've been highlighted in F but F was a piece of crap so it ultimately went nowhere again.

Goku had a sorta character thing in BOG, which was kinda contradictory, but it was something. Goku now reminds me of why Jotaro is the worst Jojo, and yet he's the most popular for some reason. Don't get me wrong I like Jotaro, but he's a boring character. He's cool, but he's always the same from beginning to end. Jonathon and especially Joseph go through life changing experiences, and Jotaro from day 1 is the same as he ever was til Stardust was over. It made me realize how little I cared about him, and just waited for him to do cool shit. He was style over substance.

Goku can do all the cool or bizarre stuff he wants, but he's such a dull character to me now. I want to like him more, but I feel like it's the same shtick with him over and over. He's style over substance. He and Vegeta make this series feel like it's the after years, rather than a continuation. They don't feel like characters to me no more, but more like tools to show off some flashy action, and some humour every now and then. It's like I'm watching the animated adventure of what essentially was a kid playing with his toys, and making up some story for excuse for them to fight. It's entertaining to say the least, but feels so empty.

That's a good comparison. Off-topic but Part 3 was saved by its supporting cast at least who largely carried the show until the final battle. In DB's case I feel like Goku hasn't had much in the way of character growth since the end of the Cell games. Some people seem to be content with that but it's getting painfully obvious in Super something needs to happen - either to him or the rest of the main cast - to make things interesting. Here's to hoping the new arc achieves just that.

Hell even in Part 4 so far Jotaro is THE SAME CHARACTER! Jeez. Flashy coolness can only grasp me for so long.

I already basically covered that in the Goku & Vegeta Show thread. Either have a more interesting and useful supporting cast, or have ever growing more interesting leads. We have neither right now, so I try and let the flashy fights and sometimes hit humour hold me over.

[UpFromTheSkies]

With Mai being involved, I wonder if Pilaf has any involvement in this? Maybe he collected the Dragon Balls again, and just as he's about to make his wish, Goku shows up and Pilaf wishes Goku wasn't such a do-gooder always getting in his way?

[Protege]

I was really hoping that evil black Goku would look something more like this on a cosmic spectre level!

[TekTheNinja]

Dragon Ball always got dark and sometimes emotional.

In the very 1st arc we find out that Goku stomped his grandfather to death and that's DB's most light hearted arc.

My point exactly! And then in the mostly lighthearted Baba tournament there's their touching reunion. Not to mention the death of Bora in front of his own son, and the most major turning point when Krillin dies. And what about when Tenshinhan breaks Yamcha's leg? Pretty brutal for a bloodless scene. You can almost feel it.

But in Super the only touching scenes I can think of are a few Pan scenes, the darkest thing to happen was a spoiled cat god who got angry when he didn't get his pudding, and the most brutal part was Vegeta spitting out a small bit of blood. This is NOTHING!