The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Hellspawn28]

Hirudegarn vs. Copy-Vegeta

Both defeated easily SS3 Gotenks. Who do you think could win?

Copy Vegeta stomps. Base Vegeta and Base Goku are way above SSj3 level. Commeson also made Copy Vegeta a bit stronger. I think ROF Base Goku and ROF Vegeta are already at SSj3 level and the three years of training made them even stronger.

[VegetaSSJBlue]

Botamo vs Z-Warriors [On Earth,No rules]

[DanielSSJ]

Botamo vs Z-Warriors [On Earth,No rules]

I figure Boo's magic would be able to work on him.

[apex_pretador]

Hirudegarn vs. Copy-Vegeta

Both defeated easily SS3 Gotenks. Who do you think could win?

No way to tell IMO. Hirdugarn is little stronger, but copy vegeta is more skilled. I think hirdugarn wins.


SS3 Goku M13 beats them both.

SS vegetto was surprised at being able to manhandle buuhan.

That doesn't really imply that Base Vegetto is way weaker than Buuhan. In fact, that would indicate that Vegetto doesn't realized how strong he was until he wrecked Buuhan. Which would possibly mean that Vegetto didn't expect the Potara to be that strong compared to the Metamorian fusion.

If base Vegetto is already close enough to buuhan, he wouldn't be surprised at the power gap between SS Vegetto and buuhan.

Also, how is vegetto supposed to know how strong a metamorian fusion will be? There is no formula.

Who do you like better battles, Namek Saga Edition~

Note; You're supposed to choose the winner based on who you like better (Can be character wise or design wise) not based on who you think would win in a fight

Burter vs Recoome
Jeice vs Nail
Ginyu vs Frieza
Guldo vs Dodoria
Zarbon vs Krillin
Vegeta vs Gohan
Goku vs Cui
Appule vs Guru
Dende vs Bulma

Bonus Round; Who is your absolute favorite character from the Namek Saga?
Extra Bonus Round; Which is your favorite form of Frieza?

- fCK both , maybe recoome
- Nail
- Freeza, and not even close
- Guldo, tough choice
- Krillin
- Vegeta (atleast till cell arc)
- Goku
- guru
- Dende

Bonus- Piccolo beats Final Freeza after a long fight.

Final

1) Cell Games Saga Teen Gohan (Base) vs Frieza Saga Final Form Frieza (100% Full Power)

2) Cell Games Saga Teen Gohan (Super Saiyan Full Power) vs Towa

3) Cell Games Saga Teen Gohan (Super Saiyan 2) vs Hell Fighter 17 and Future Android 18

4) Hypothetical Cell Games Saga Teen Gohan (Super Saiyan Blue) vs Super Baby Vegeta 2

5) Hypothetical Cell Games Saga Teen Gohan (Super Saiyan 4) vs Golden Great Ape Baby

Freeza one-shots

Hell fighter 17 fought on par with base vegeta for quite some time, but base vegeta << SS Gohan << Base Goku is established. Future 18 is fodder here. I'll back KID gohan

Blue >>> GT

Botamo vs Z-Warriors [On Earth,No rules]

Candy beam

Baby, no contest here. 10x of GT SS Vegeta beats anything gohan can manage.

[Hellspawn28]

Gryll vs. Pui Pui

Who wins?

[DanielSSJ]

Gryll vs. Pui Pui

Who wins?

I'm gonna give credit to Pui Pui as being among "the strongest fighters in the universe" and say he'd win. Maybe.

[RandomGuy96]

Hirudegarn vs. Copy-Vegeta

Both defeated easily SS3 Gotenks. Who do you think could win?

Hirudegarn definitely defeated Gotenks easier than Copy Vegeta did. He took the former down in one hit rather than six or seven, and Gotenks was actually able to block some hits from Copy Vegeta while he was helpless against Hirudegarn. I also think base Vegeta is around Ultimate Gohan's level, based on Gotenks lasting a while against him, and Hirudegarn took out Gohan in like two hits. So pair that with his weird intangibility, and I think Hirudegarn definitely has this in the bag.

Unless you're going to let him transform of course. Then SSG Copy Vegeta vaporizes Hirudegarn with a backhand.

[supercat]

Hirudegarn vs. Copy-Vegeta

Both defeated easily SS3 Gotenks. Who do you think could win?

Copy-Vegeta one-shots; his smug attitude against Gotenks implies that he was using a mere fraction of his strength during their battle. While Hirudegarn is likely a few tiers above Buuhan, I doubt he's anywhere near post-SSG base saiyans, who were shown to be a notch or two higher than Final Form Frieza. On top of all that, Hirudegarn faring nearly as well as Base Goku (BoG) did against Beerus also seems quite unlikely.

[Khin]

If base Vegetto is already close enough to buuhan, he wouldn't be surprised at the power gap between SS Vegetto and buuhan.

You're missing my point. Vegetto didn't realize how strong he really is until he wrecked Buuhan. If he knew from the start, he wouldn't be surprised by how easily he destroyed Buu.

Also, how is vegetto supposed to know how strong a metamorian fusion will be? There is no formula.

Goku wouldn't be so confident that Gotenks can manhandle Buu in less than 30 minutes if he have no idea how strong the Metamorian fusion is.

[apex_pretador]

Gryll vs. Pui Pui

Who wins?

Gryll IMO

[supercat]

GT Piccolo (Super 17 arc) vs HF #17

Following Goku's departure, Piccolo presumably trounced all of the HFIL's residents and took the villain-ridden place over; seeing as how the Namekian was fine and well at the end of GT, I'm inclined to believe that his opposition showed little to no resistance. Even powerhouses like Frieza, Cell, and Rild were probably either taken down offscreen or forced to submit after catching a glimpse of what they were up against.

I feel that if anyone were to have given the Namekian a decent challenge, it would have been HF#17, as the carbon copy was able to rival post-Baby Base Vegeta.

So how cool would this little "rematch" have been? How easily would Piccolo have won?

My speculation:

Although, Piccolo would likely need to exert a notable amount of more effort here than he would for the others (Cell, Frieza, Rild), he would still win.

Piccolo (no weights) > Piccolo (weights) > / = HF#17 > Frieza / Cell > Rild > Buuhan

Next match:

GT Piccolo (Super 17 arc), HF#17, GT Frieza, GT Cell vs SSJ Gogeta (Buu arc), Final Form Janemba, Buuhan, Hirudegarn

My speculation:

Anyone on team GT one-shots without batting an eye.

[Hellspawn28]

Gryll vs. (In no real order):

Movie 1 Garlic Jr. (No immortality and dead zone)
Radditz
Nappa
Oozaru Saiyan Saga Vegeta
Captain Ginyu (Namek Saga. No body change)
Nail
Freeza 1st form (Namek Saga)
Freeza Final Form (Namek Saga)
SSj Goku (Namek Saga)
#19
Dr. Gero
#17
#16
Imperfect Cell
Semi Perfect Cell
Perfect Cell
SSj2 Cell saga Gohan
Super Perfect Cell
Fat Buu

Who does he defeat and who does he lose too

[AvatarReiko]

Hit, SSJB Kioken Goku, SSJB Vegeta, Monaka, Golden Frieza vs Full-Power Beerus

[Lord Beerus]

Gryll vs. (In no real order):

Movie 1 Garlic Jr. (No immortality and dead zone)
Radditz
Nappa
Oozaru Saiyan Saga Vegeta
Captain Ginyu (Namek Saga. No body change)
Nail
Freeza 1st form (Namek Saga)
Freeza Final Form (Namek Saga)
SSj Goku (Namek Saga)
#19
Dr. Gero
#17
#16
Imperfect Cell
Semi Perfect Cell
Perfect Cell
SSj2 Cell saga Gohan
Super Perfect Cell
Fat Buu

Who does he defeat and who does he lose too

Doesn't make it past First Form Freeza, as he Gryll shit his pants and high-tailed when he saw Base Goten and Trunks easily defeat his henchmen, so I'm guessing he knew that Base Goten and/or Trunk would have kicked his ass with ease.

[apex_pretador]

GT Piccolo (Super 17 arc) vs HF #17

A really interesting matchup. This is a fair match IMO, piccolo is not even close to base GT vegeta, who dominated HF17. However, powerwise, HF17 was not that weak compared to base veggy.
So, HF17 has the power advantage over baby arc piccolo. On the other hand, super 17 arc piccolo likely improved significantly by kaio training, strong enough to dominate hell (including C & F).
Piccolo is an incredible fighter, and despite a slight power disadvantage, and another disadvantage of fighting an android, he will eventually win with a trick up his sleeve.

Next match:

GT Piccolo (Super 17 arc), HF#17, GT Frieza, GT Cell vs SSJ Gogeta (Buu arc), Final Form Janemba, Buuhan, Hirudegarn

My speculation:

Anyone on team GT one-shots without batting an eye.

Since I'm not in the "GT is super overpowered" group, either on Z team solos.
The strongest being team GT can take out IMO is fat buu pre split, with mostly teamwork + piccolo's tactics

Gryll vs. (In no real order):

Movie 1 Garlic Jr. (No immortality and dead zone)
Radditz
Nappa
Oozaru Saiyan Saga Vegeta
Captain Ginyu (Namek Saga. No body change)
Nail
Freeza 1st form (Namek Saga)
Freeza Final Form (Namek Saga)
SSj Goku (Namek Saga)
#19
Dr. Gero
#17
#16
Imperfect Cell
Semi Perfect Cell
Perfect Cell
SSj2 Cell saga Gohan
Super Perfect Cell
Fat Buu

Who does he defeat and who does he lose too

Hits a brick wall at final FIRST form freeza

Hit, SSJB Kioken Goku, SSJB Vegeta, Monaka, Golden Frieza vs Full-Power Beerus

Beerus 5 shots

[pacz360]

Was grill even that powerful to begin with he seems only a mook tier at best.

[supercat]

GT Piccolo (Super 17) is likely several tiers stronger than Cell and Frieza (HFIL's finest). Despite being utterly humiliated, the duo held their own against Base Goku, who at that point was likely far stronger than he was on M2; this in-turn suggests that Piccolo (Super 17) was only a few notches below Base Goku.

As for Rild, he was stated to be stronger than some unspecified incarnation of Buu. My guess is that the Buu in question was Buuhan (or Kid Buu, since GT follows the anime).

Base Goku: 110
Piccolo: 80
Frieza / Cell: 45
Final Form Rild: 35
Second Form Rild: 20-25
First Form Rild: 15
Buuhan: 12

I personally place GT Piccolo (Super 17) more or less on the same caliber as Base Vegeta; the former apparently made a huge jump from the Baby arc, as he had no issue whatsoever sharing a home with Cell and Frieza.

HF#17 is probably the only fighter down in the HFIL that would actually push Piccolo (Super 17) to use full power or at least very close to it. Even if Cell, Frieza, and Rild were to help the former, they would be of little use, as all three of them would simply get one-shotted.

apex_predator, I'm interested in seeing where you place the following fighters in terms of numbers:

Base Goku (Super 17 arc):
Piccolo (Super 17 arc):
HF#17 (Super 17 arc):
Cell / Frieza (Super 17 arc):
Final Form Rild (Super 17 arc):
Buuhan:
SSJ Goten (Super 17 arc):
SSJ Trunks (Super 17 arc):

New battle:

GT Piccolo (Super 17 arc), GT Frieza, GT Cell vs GT SSJ Gohan (Super 17 arc), GT SSJ Trunks (Super 17 arc), GT SSJ Goten (Super 17 arc)

[apex_pretador]

apex_predator, I'm interested in seeing where you place the following fighters in terms of numbers:

Base Goku (Super 17 arc): - Around pre-split Fat buu, or possibly even higher
Piccolo (Super 17 arc): - slightly above M vegeta, slightly below mr buu
HF#17 (Super 17 arc): - Post split fat buu
Cell / Frieza (Super 17 arc): - Kid Gohan SS2
Final Form Rild (Super 17 arc): Too hard to determine. I can't remember about Rild, not sure if he can even go final form in cell.
Buuhan: Above everyone who's weaker than Super Baby Vegeta
SSJ Goten (Super 17 arc): Fodder level at this point. Weaker than SS1 Buu arc goku
SSJ Trunks (Super 17 arc): Weaker than Gohan, stronger than goten. Around buu arc SS2 adult gohan lvl

I place them like ^^^
So, except vegeta and goku, no saiyan stands a chance against the villainous duo, even with super saiyan (except maybe gohan).

Also, isn't FF rild comparable to (or even above) SS Goku (pre-baby arc)??

New battle:

GT Piccolo (Super 17 arc), GT Frieza, GT Cell vs GT SSJ Gohan (Super 17 arc), GT SSJ Trunks (Super 17 arc), GT SSJ Goten (Super 17 arc)

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Goten & Trunks are one-shot material for anyone here.
Gohan isn't taking all three of them out, where I doubt he can even solo piccolo.

Was grill even that powerful to begin with he seems only a mook tier at best.

The only thing we can know about gryll is he is non-threat to freeza.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Omni king vs Zarama

[Khin]

Omni king vs Zarama

Its almost impossible to tell for now. Zen’ō can wipe out all 12 Universe in an instant. But Super Shenlong can probably do the same, since he can literally grant any wish. And his power cannot exceed the power of its creator [Zarama]. Zarama kills Zen’ō with a blink of his eye imo.