That's how a lot of them end, but a fatal flaw isn't a requirement for a Tragedy. And surviving by sheer luck isn't a triumph.metamoss wrote:There's a small triumph in that he survives to actually travel in the time machine. His hubris to take on 17 and 18 is a mistake he learns and grows from, not a fatal flaw that ends up ruining him irrevocably like the protagonist of the classical tragedy.ABED wrote:What triumph are you referring to? Everything is leading to Trunks' final confrontation. It's not an episodic story. Everything is leading to that battle and his decision.
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The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
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I would then ask what is the requirements for a Tragedy, in your mind.ABED wrote:That's how a lot of them end, but a fatal flaw isn't a requirement for a Tragedy. And surviving by sheer luck isn't a triumph.
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Great question. I don't know, so I can't answer one way or the other if the Trunks TV special is in fact a Tragedy. From what I can remember, it requires a reversal of fortune and for the protagonist to have some flaw that is the cause of it or a big factor in it. That flaw doesn't have to be one of moral character, it can just be a flaw of knowledge.metamoss wrote:I would then ask what is the requirements for a Tragedy, in your mind.ABED wrote:That's how a lot of them end, but a fatal flaw isn't a requirement for a Tragedy. And surviving by sheer luck isn't a triumph.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
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With that sort of definition, I could see it fitting as Tragedy, if only loosely. I would still argue for the TV special depicting the "Tragedy of Son Gohan", but I think coming-of-age would be a more accurate description for it as a whole, as I think that better describes Trunks' experience through it. It's a very tragic coming-of age, but it's not as much a Tragedy.ABED wrote:Great question. I don't know, so I can't answer one way or the other if the Trunks TV special is in fact a Tragedy. From what I can remember, it requires a reversal of fortune and for the protagonist to have some flaw that is the cause of it or a big factor in it. That flaw doesn't have to be one of moral character, it can just be a flaw of knowledge.metamoss wrote: I would then ask what is the requirements for a Tragedy, in your mind.
"Perfect" is the enemy of the good. True for Cell and true for real life.
Don't forget to slow down and enjoy yourself.
Don't forget to slow down and enjoy yourself.