"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Seeing SSG was cool and all but much prefer the SSGSSKK we got in the anime.

[ekrolo2]

I don't understand how he automatically switches from SSG to SSJB during the fight. He went from Super Saiyan to SSG and almost out of no where during the fight in the next scene was a SSJB.

I think that was supposed to be the point? Blue was his trump card in this version so I guess he just switched to it during his rush attack on Hit. Its really no different given how instantaneously they can activate most of their forms without a fuss.

[Khin]

Goku turning Super Saiyan God again kinda confirms that unlike in the BoG movie and Super. He didn't absorb the God power in the manga. So Goku's Base and Super Saiyan probably isn't as strong as in the anime. And probably only a good chunk stronger than Pre God Base Goku and Pre God SS Goku.

[Xeztin]

I don't understand how he automatically switches from SSG to SSJB during the fight. He went from Super Saiyan to SSG and almost out of no where during the fight in the next scene was a SSJB.

I think that was supposed to be the point? Blue was his trump card in this version so I guess he just switched to it during his rush attack on Hit. Its really no different given how instantaneously they can activate most of their forms without a fuss.

I think he said something when he launched at Hit as an SSG like a smirk right before he went SSJB so I'd say your right and it was just a cheap shot or strategy to hit well Hit. I do wonder if SSG was red or has Blue hair and if Goku went SSJB kaio-ken at the end. I'm enjoying these 2 different ways of telling the story, SSJB really didn't get to shine in the manga because ROF was skipped, so maybe this was making up for it. I did feel like SSJB Kaio-ken was a cheap Toei thing.

[LightBing]

This is pretty weird, nobody with Korean speaking skills for the rescue? It really doesn't look like Kaioken was used, I gotta say I didn't believe Toei would do such a thing if it didn't come from Mr.Toriyama. We can't actually say which versions is closer to Mr.Toriyama script, no way of knowing.

Chuquita will be delighted about the return of Super Saiyan God. She was the person most disappointed in this whole forum when it was brushed aside.

It was good to see Whis and Vados bowing too, that shows that even them are below Omni-King in the hierarchy. Toei shouldn't have done them standing still.

I agree, it looked pretty weird they didn't.

[ryou766]

I'm disappointed that Goku didn't turn SSJBKK since I loved the strategy he used against Hit's Time-Leap.

[ekrolo2]

I don't understand how he automatically switches from SSG to SSJB during the fight. He went from Super Saiyan to SSG and almost out of no where during the fight in the next scene was a SSJB.

I think that was supposed to be the point? Blue was his trump card in this version so I guess he just switched to it during his rush attack on Hit. Its really no different given how instantaneously they can activate most of their forms without a fuss.

I think he said something when he launched at Hit as an SSG like a smirk right before he went SSJB so I'd say your right and it was just a cheap shot or strategy to hit well Hit. I do wonder if SSG was red or has Blue hair and if Goku went SSJB kaio-ken at the end. I'm enjoying these 2 different ways of telling the story, SSJB really didn't get to shine in the manga because ROF was skipped, so maybe this was making up for it. I did feel like SSJB Kaio-ken was a cheap Toei thing.

I too wasn't crazy about the Kaio-Ken thing, primarily because it retconned the Cell arcs mastery of SSJ just to make Blue seem more special. Plus, I don't get how Goku increasing his power allows him to break through a time skip. I prefer this cheap shot tactic or just using Instant Transmission over KKBlue.

Goku turning Super Saiyan God again kinda confirms that unlike in the BoG movie and Super. He didn't absorb the God power in the manga. So Goku's Base and Super Saiyan probably isn't as strong as in the anime. And probably only a good chunk stronger than Pre God Base Goku and Pre God SS Goku.

Gohan doesn't get one-shotted or tortured like the anime or movie in the manga of F so its fair to assume the power increase to base & SSJ in the manga version of Super is significantly smaller than what either of the animated ones imply.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

The fight was nicely paced but, it still donesn´t explain how exactly Goku was able to "break throught" Hit´s Time Leap ability using just a power boost.

[Xeztin]

I am glad that SSG returned (It's my favorite form) though I wonder which one is closer to Toriyama. They are really going into different directions now but I feel like the manga makes more sense at this point. Perhaps SSJB Kaio-ken was a Toei thing since it can be looked at as a "new transformation" for the arc.

[Khin]

This is pretty weird, nobody with Korean speaking skills for the rescue?

I believe the TheDevilsCorpse fiance knows Korean. He was the one posting the translations for some chapters months ago. Though the official release for the chapter will on the 21st, so i guess we'll just wait if Herms will decide to translate it.

[ryou766]

At least it's 100% confirmed Goku can turn SSJG at his own free will now.

[Neon Z]

Goku turning Super Saiyan God again kinda confirms that unlike in the BoG movie and Super. He didn't absorb the God power in the manga. So Goku's Base and Super Saiyan probably isn't as strong as in the anime. And probably only a good chunk stronger than Pre God Base Goku and Pre God SS Goku.

But in the original Battle of Gods Goku seemingly powered up when he transformed into a SSJ God again, at the end of the battle. It's only the Super anime that stated SSJ = SSJ God, basically removing it completely from play.

[namekiansaiyan]

The anime is better and makes more sense.

[ekrolo2]

Goku turning Super Saiyan God again kinda confirms that unlike in the BoG movie and Super. He didn't absorb the God power in the manga. So Goku's Base and Super Saiyan probably isn't as strong as in the anime. And probably only a good chunk stronger than Pre God Base Goku and Pre God SS Goku.

But in the original Battle of Gods Goku seemingly powered up when he transformed into a SSJ God again, at the end of the battle. It's only Super that stated SSJ = SSJ God, basically removing it completely from play.

He does nothing of the sort in the Super manga, for the whole fight he's a Super Saiyan God.

[sintzu]

Didnt he skip it?I guess you are right, there is a chance he can do it, but we never see him do it though.

In order to reach SsjB he would've had to be able to use Ssjg and even Ssj3 first.

We can't actually say which versions is closer to Mr.Toriyama script, no way of knowing.

I think Toyotoro said he works closely with Toriyama so his version is most likely the closest.

[ryou766]

The anime is better and makes more sense.

I agree. Not to mention the anime made things more intense, and I loved how they page homage to the Kaio-Ken ability.

Also, does Goku not have a time limit for SSJG anymore? Or did he simply ascend into SSJB before the time limit for SSJG could run out?

[Grimlock]

Super Saiyan 3 has nothing to do with God forms.

The Saiyan that attained Super Saiyan God didn't even have Super Saiyan form to begin with.

[Neon Z]

Goku turning Super Saiyan God again kinda confirms that unlike in the BoG movie and Super. He didn't absorb the God power in the manga. So Goku's Base and Super Saiyan probably isn't as strong as in the anime. And probably only a good chunk stronger than Pre God Base Goku and Pre God SS Goku.

But in the original Battle of Gods Goku seemingly powered up when he transformed into a SSJ God again, at the end of the battle. It's only Super that stated SSJ = SSJ God, basically removing it completely from play.

He does nothing of the sort in the Super manga, for the whole fight he's a Super Saiyan God.

I know. My point is that SSJ God still was a power up transformation in the original Battle of Gods, even after it had part of its power absorbed by Goku's base. So, transforming into a SSJ God afterwards doesn't necessarily mean that this is following a different direction from the movie. The only thing this confirms is that it doesn't match how the anime is handling it. The anime is the only continuity where, at least power-wise, SSJ God is confirmed to be completely pointless now (although in the anime it seemingly had new special abilities that SSJ and SSJB didn't inherit).

[sintzu]

The anime makes more sense.

How can Beerus who said he used 10% of his power to beat ssj2 vegeta be stronger than Goku who trained with Whis, trained with Vegeta for 3 years, has a stronger Ssjg form & can multiply its power 10× ?

[Khin]

Goku turning Super Saiyan God again kinda confirms that unlike in the BoG movie and Super. He didn't absorb the God power in the manga. So Goku's Base and Super Saiyan probably isn't as strong as in the anime. And probably only a good chunk stronger than Pre God Base Goku and Pre God SS Goku.

But in the original Battle of Gods Goku seemingly powered up when he transformed into a SSJ God again, at the end of the battle. It's only the Super anime that stated SSJ = SSJ God, basically removing it completely from play.

It was also stated in the movie that Goku absorbed the power of the God. The difference is that he didn't absorb all of it, so he ended up being slightly weaker. But still strong enough to impress 70% Beerus.