The Things GT Got Right

[Anime Kitten]

If Toei remade GT with, or DB Heroes made Super Saiyan Pan, I'd love them.

[successoroffate]

If Toei remade GT with, or DB Heroes made Super Saiyan Pan, I'd love them.

I wouldn't mind having GT remade or retold.

[ryou766]

If GT had ended with a Goku vs Vegeta battle similar to this, I would've overlooked all of its past mistakes.

[sintzu]

If GT had ended with a Goku vs Vegeta battle similar to this, I would've overlooked all of its past mistakes.

It's such a shame that people who do this for fun can make better stories and have better ideas then the people who get paid to work on it officially.

The sad thing is, fans will never get a chance to show the world what they can do which is one thing that I wish Japan would learn from American comics cause with comics there's always new people getting to work on them and bringing new ideas to the table.

[ryou766]

@sintzu: Exactly. I have seen NUMEROUS stories/ideas created by fans that would've been much better than what we've officially gotten thus far.

If they were to listen to the right type of fans, no doubt the series would be more enjoyable.

[Anime Kitten]

That's true. However, not all the fan stories are good. I'm sure some are better than official stuff, but I think official characters generally have better design than fan characters. Although I've seen barely any Kanzenshuu users' fan chars.

[ryou766]

That's true. However, not all the fan stories are good.

Hence why I said the RIGHT type of fans.

[sintzu]

I think official characters generally have better design than fan characters.

You mean like Super's designs ? not only are most of them bad and lazy, to make things worse they're from the original author

If they were to listen to the right type of fans, no doubt the series would be more enjoyable.

They don't listen to anyone, Toriyama said it outright and Toei said there's nothing wrong with Super's 5th episode and fans are making a big deal out of nothing.

[Anime Kitten]

Hence why I said the RIGHT type of fans.

Sorry, I was referring to sintzu. Although I do still agree with you.

[ABED]

Good storytellers don't listen to fans.

[Anime Kitten]

Good storytellers don't listen to fans.

Care to explain why you believe such? (Yes I totally just quoted ryou.)

[ABED]

Good storytellers don't listen to fans.

Care to explain why you believe such? (Yes I totally just quoted ryou.)

Because fans' opinions are too diverse. Whom do you listen to? A good storyteller will go with what works best for the story, not what will satisfy fans. For instance, instead of satisfying people who wanted Angel and Buffy together, Joss Whedon decided not to give the audience what some thought they wanted. Instead he gave them an even better story by turning Angel evil.

[sintzu]

Good storytellers don't listen to fans.

If you read Batman then go to Scott Snyder's twitter page and see how connected he is with his fans, he's always asking us what we think of his stories & what we want to see which shows that he respects his fans and his work.

The result ? For the last 5 years Batman has been one of the industry's best selling and reviewed books and the anticipation and pre-order's for his upcoming all star Batman are through the roof.

Toriyama and Toei ? all they care about is $$$ and don't give a damn about the fans or the franchise's reputation and to me that's the worst kind of business practice.

[ekrolo2]

Good storytellers don't listen to fans.

If you read Batman then go to Scott Snyder's twitter page and see how connected he is with his fans, he's always asking us what we think of his stories & what we want to see which shows that he respects his fans and his work.

The result ? For the last 5 years Batman has been one of the industry's best selling and reviewed books and the anticipation and pre-order's for his upcoming all star Batman are through the roof.

I think there's a good distinction to be made between interacting with fans and listening to them. Its good for a creator to hear feedback but there also has to be something kept in mind: a lot of fans don't know jack or shit about good story-telling. A lot of them want just the standard mcdefault or for the writer to write THEIR version of something.

Something particularly troublesome with DC since, in the eyes of many fans, I've found that: you write Superman with humanity (and I mean REAL humanity) and you're shit. Don't tout Wonder Woman as the greatest thing ever? You suck. Write Batman as anything other than a psychotic, asshole-ish, over-prepared lunatic? You suck.

[ABED]

The quality of Snyder's work isn't due to listening to anyone, it's because he brought something new to the Batman mythos. People respond to good storytelling but that doesn't mean they understand what necessarily makes it good or how to verbalize what exactly they responded to. Even fewer are good at giving good story ideas. If writers listened to the fans, I doubt there would be many writers who would be willing to take risks.

[Anime Kitten]

*sigh* This is getting way off-topic again, sorry, it's my fault.

If Toei and Toriyama listened to their fans, everyone would enjoy Super more. Not if they ignored them. That's like saying Dimps shouldn't listen to feedback for Xenoverse 2.

[ABED]

*sigh* This is getting way off-topic again, sorry, it's my fault.

If Toei and Toriyama listened to their fans, everyone would enjoy Super more. Not if they ignored them. That's like saying Dimps shouldn't listen to feedback for Xenoverse 2.

Which fans?

[Anime Kitten]

Us. All the people who got the series where it is solely from buying the products.

[ABED]

Us. All the people who got the series where it is solely from buying the products.

That's helpful. Line 10 people up and you will get varying opinions. This forum is proof that we don't all agree.

[sintzu]

I think there's a good distinction to be made between interacting with fans and listening to them. Its good for a creator to hear feedback but there also has to be something kept in mind: a lot of fans don't know jack or shit about good story-telling.

That's true but at the very least the writer respects his fans enough to listen to what they have to say and doesn't act like he's above everyone like how Toei and Toriyama act.