Are Universe 6 characters really that strong?

[Faisal Shourov]

Vegeta had a hard time against Magetta even as SSJ. Cabba was fighting on par with Vegeta in base (Cabba never seen SSJ in his life, yeah).

Same Base Vegeta stomped SSj3 Gotenks like a bug

So what does this mean? Are U6 characters really that strong or Gotenks has become a shit fighter after Buu Arc? Super makes no sense with power scaling

[Nejishiki]

It seems to me you have already found your answer! If the Universe 6 tournament fighters are capable of such feats, you consider them very strong, yes? I don't think it does any of the characters any service to assume they became weaker unless explicitly noted in the series. Is there something in particular you have questions about?

[Faisal Shourov]

It seems to me you have already found your answer! If the Universe 6 tournament fighters are capable of such feats, you consider them very strong, yes? I don't think it does any of the characters any service to assume they became weaker unless explicitly noted in the series. Is there something in particular you have questions about?

No I don't consider them very strong without any reason, especially since the Saiyans in U6 live in peace and have never even become SSJ. Which means they never had the chance to get Zenkai boost, and Saiyans get power boost after near death experience or trauma (as we saw with Cabba who was threatened by Vegeta). U6 saiyans are amateur fighters

[Hellspawn28]

I think they are all stronger than Buu. Goku and Vegeta had three years worth of training and have god ki inside them. People were so surprise that SSj3 Gotenks lost to base Vegeta when people forget how strong Vegeta has become since the Buu saga.

[Nejishiki]

That's quite the assumption, I think. Why wouldn't mercenaries of justice never encounter near death experiences? Why would one assume they are amateur fighters if they are routinely tasked to fight others all over the universe? The information we are given is enough to paint a story about them and a story depicting docile weaklings who shouldn't be considered to be hand picked by Vados is not a picture that fits the narrative frame. Their culture may be peaceful, but their careers are not.

[Faisal Shourov]

That's quite the assumption, I think. Why wouldn't mercenaries of justice never encounter near death experiences? Why would one assume they are amateur fighters if they are routinely tasked to fight others all over the universe? The information we are given is enough to paint a story about them and a story depicting docile weaklings who shouldn't be considered to be hand picked by Vados is not a picture that fits the narrative frame. Their culture may be peaceful, but their careers are not.

When the violent war mongering Saiyans of U7 didn't become Super Saiyan in a 1000 year, I can't see the peace loving saiyans of U6 being any stronger. Being a violent race means much more chance of getting Zenkai

[Nejishiki]

The culture of Universe 7 Saiyans were quite different from Universe 6 Saiyans based on our information. They were known to die quickly in battle and devalued camaraderie among each other despite their relatively small population. A society like that isn't meant to last long, which doesn't seem to be the case for their species' twin. I'm still not convinced how having a love for peace stops its inhabitants from possibly training with each other or going through untold adventures in space where they could have managed to fight against incredible lifeforms that their Universe 7 twins never had the capacity to battle, due to their self-destructive tendencies. The very fact that they are still warriors, but manage their competitive blood in a different, more helpful way can make all of the difference in the universe.

[Chiki]

No they're not. In the manga they're confirmed to be much weaker (Goku doesn't use godly ki without SSG/SSB) making them Cell-level fighters.

[FortuneSSJ]

Magetta and Hit are the only really strong ones.

Botamo isn't strong and I doubt his abilty would work against stronger attacks like Makankosappo, Final Flash, Bing Bang, etc...
Frost is trash in everything. Both power and character wise.
Vegeta was going easy on Cabba.

[Lord Beerus]

They're as strong as the plot needs them to be. There is no way to really measure their strength because with how Super progresses the plot, you have to retroactively reevaluate their strength constantly.

[ryou766]

Seeing as Cabba took Vegeta's advice to heart, he might continue to become stronger in his universe. Though, I doubt he'd reach the level of a god.

[Hellspawn28]

Goku told Freeza that he didn't need to go SSj to fight him in ROF. While fighting Frost, Goku is three years stronger and use SSj against him. Freeza also took down someone like Gohan in one punch in his 1st form (Which should make him around SSj2 level in his 1st form). I do think Frost is above Vegito in his 4th form but below Golden Freeza.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Goku said all of the U6 fighters were incredibly strong. I'll take his word on the matter.

[ChronoTwigger]

Botamo = Yamcha
Frost = Frieza without training
Cabba = Goku vs Raditz
Magetta = Androids
Hit = Hit. So far is the second best opponent on a 1vs1 Goku faced after Beerus in his whole life. Need a SSBlue + Kaiohken to get an even fight for a minute.

[Faisal Shourov]

They're as strong as the plot needs them to be. There is no way to really measure their strength because with how Super progresses the plot, you have to retroactively reevaluate their strength constantly.

I don't even try to think about power anymore, Super really doesn't care about consistency or sense

[Hellspawn28]

Cabba put up a decent fight against Vegeta. I think he is at least at SSj3 level. He could easily beat LSSj Movie 10 Broli without much effort.

[HeroR]

No they're not. In the manga they're confirmed to be much weaker (Goku doesn't use godly ki without SSG/SSB) making them Cell-level fighters.

The manga confirmed nothing other than Goku can become Super Saiyan God which is in-between Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. And the power scales are different between the anime and the manga anyway. Manga Frost put up a a decent fight against Super Saiyan Goku while Anime Frost got utterly curb stomp.

A lot of it is denied at this point. The U6 fighters outside of maybe Botamo are much stronger than almost any fighter in U7 outside of Goku and Vegeta. And even Botamo can absorb power from base form Goku, who beats up on Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks.

Which shouldn't be surprising. The power of the previous arc is always outdated by the next arc. Remember when Super Saiyan used to be the legendary ultimate warrior who to took down Freeza, the strongest being in the universe? Remember how two cyborg teenagers made by some old man in his cave killed all of them except one? Welcome to Dragon Ball.

[Chiki]

No they're not. In the manga they're confirmed to be much weaker (Goku doesn't use godly ki without SSG/SSB) making them Cell-level fighters.

The manga confirmed nothing other than Goku can become Super Saiyan God which is in-between Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. And the power scales are different between the anime and the manga anyway. Manga Frost put up a a decent fight against Super Saiyan Goku while Anime Frost to utterly curb stomp.

A lot of it is denied at this point. The U6 fighters outside of maybe Botamo are much stronger than almost any fighter in U7 outside of Goku and Vegeta. And even Botamo can absorb power from base form Goku, who beats up on Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks.

Which shouldn't be surprising. The power of the previous arc is always outdated by the next arc. Remember when Super Saiyan used to be the legendary ultimate warrior who to took down Freeza, the strongest being in the universe? Remember how two cyborg teenagers made by some old man in his cave killed all of them except one? Welcome to Dragon Ball.

Wrong, the manga outright says Frost never trains meaning he's much weaker than RoF Frieza. At best he's around SPC level.

Why the heck would Buu be removed from the tournament by the author if he was a lot weaker than everyone else? Sorry, but you're just wrong.

If you carefully read the manga it's obvious that Buu would own everyone except Hit if he was in the tourney.

[HeroR]

Wrong, the manga outright says Frost never trains meaning he's much weaker than RoF Frieza. At best he's around SPC level.

Why the heck would Buu be removed from the tournament by the author if he was a lot weaker than everyone else? Sorry, but you're just wrong.

If you carefully read the manga it's obvious that Buu would own everyone except Hit if he was in the tourney.

I read the page, Goku assumed Frost never trained and he just said if you trained he would be as strong as Freeza, who gained an ultimate form that beat the crap out of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. Frost was strong, but didn't have an ultimate form, therefore he can train to gained one. Short and simple.

Buu was hype up? He appeared in one promotional poster and Vegeta in the anime didn't even want Buu because he thought he was too weak. Buu would have put up a decent fight because of his regeneration, unusual body, and candy beam. Power-wise, he would have been eating for lunch.

And this is the manga where the power scales are different. Manga Frost put up a decent fight against Super Saiyan Goku. Anime Frost got his ass kicked. Manga Hit is weaker than Super Saiyan Goku power wise and doesn't grow, he just holds back. Anime Hit takes down Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta who never had the power drained the manga gave him and tanks hits from Goku's Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan/Kaio-Ken combo. You can't use one scaling in one source and try to shoehorn it into another.

[Chiki]

I read the page, Goku assumed Frost never trained and he just said if you trained he would be as strong as Freeza, who gained an ultimate form that beat the crap out of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. Frost was strong, but didn't have an ultimate form, therefore he can train to gained one. Short and simple.

No, it's really incredibly obvious that you're wrong here. If he already was training, then he should have unlocked the Golden form. The obvious implication is that he doesn't train, at all (apart from some battles as the "peacekeeper" of the universe I guess).

1. Goku used Base for Frieza.
2. Goku used SS for Frost.
3. If Final Form Frost > Frieza, he should have already unlocked the Golden form because Goku used SS for Frost but Base for Frieza. But he didn't. Therefore, Frieza > Frost.

Buu was hype up? He appeared in one promotional poster and Vegeta in the anime didn't even want Buu because he thought he was too weak. Buu would have put up a decent fight because of his regeneration, unusual body, and candy beam. Power-wise, he would have been eating for lunch.

"Vegeta in the anime didn't even want Buu because he thought he was too weak" I hope you're not lying tbh because that is completely false. Vegeta outright states it might not be a good idea because, even though the evil Buu was removed, the good Buu could cause trouble. Goku outright says straight away that Buu is the one he wants the most apart from Goku, Vegeta and Monaka. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXulzFEirco

When Goku says "Buu is crazy strong when he's serious" Vegeta says "fine."

And this is the manga where the power scales are different. Manga Frost put up a decent fight against Super Saiyan Goku. Anime Frost got his ass kicked. Manga Hit is weaker than Super Saiyan Goku power wise and doesn't grow, he just holds back. Anime Hit takes down Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta who never had the power drained the manga gave him and tanks hits from Goku's Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan/Kaio-Ken combo. You can't use one scaling in one source and try to shoehorn it into another.

Manga Hit was suppressing his power against Super Saiyan Goku. He unleashes the rest of his power when Goku goes SSG.

IMO you've forgotten a lot of crucial details in both the manga and anime and you need to reread the manga and watch the anime.