So who or what is Black?

[Hellspawn28]

I see some theories that Black may be Goku from the end of GT. Goku on his way back with Shenron may have cause him to go evil. I doubt they will tie GT into all of this, but some people do wonder what happen to Goku after GT though.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I see some theories that Black may be Goku from the end of GT. Goku on his way back with Shenron may have cause him to go evil. I doubt they will tie GT into all of this, but some people do wonder what happen to Goku after GT though.

Super happens before GT so no way...and that is if you even count GT as part of the real universe which is a debate that could go on and on forever.

[Hellspawn28]

Well there is the Time Ring that Goku Black uses. I don't believe in the end of GT Goku being Goku Black theory, but I guess Goku at the end of GT could have found the Time Ring.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Well there is the Time Ring that Goku Black uses. I don't believe in the end of GT Goku being Goku Black theory, but I guess Goku at the end of GT could have found the Time Ring.

Okay duh I didn't think of that thats pretty obvious now looking at it that way with the ring.

I don't believe it either because remember at the very very end of GT Goku goes and watches Goku Jr vs Vegeta Jr. That is 100 years into the future and he's still good Goku.

[nato25]

Well there is the Time Ring that Goku Black uses. I don't believe in the end of GT Goku being Goku Black theory, but I guess Goku at the end of GT could have found the Time Ring.

Okay duh I didn't think of that thats pretty obvious now looking at it that way with the ring.

I don't believe it either because remember at the very very end of GT Goku goes and watches Goku Jr vs Vegeta Jr. That is 100 years into the future and he's still good Goku.

"Goodku"

[Hellspawn28]

I remember someone on another web forum did point out after he fly away from the end of GT, he may became evil somehow (maybe the Dragon Balls inside him). With the Time Ring, there is a possible chance that he could have went into different timelines. Personally, I don't want Super be link with GT and have them be shows set in different continuities. It would be interesting to find out on what happen to Goku after GT, but I still doubt it's Goku after the end of GT.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I remember someone on another web forum did point out after he fly away from the end of GT, he may became evil somehow (maybe the Dragon Balls inside him). With the Time Ring, there is a possible chance that he could have went into different timelines. Personally, I don't want Super be link with GT and have them be shows set in different continuities. It would be interesting to find out on what happen to Goku after GT, but I still doubt it's Goku after the end of GT.

I dont think Toriyama cares about GT enough to make it tie in. Not to say he wouldn't use ideas from it if he liked them...but it seems like he feels GT never happened. I mean why would Goku need SSJ4 if he already has God Ki....unless someone wants to argue SSJ4 is higher than God Ki but I highly doubt that.

[Xeztin]

My guesses as of now:

A Goku clone created by the Kaioshin.

A complete inorganic being created by the Kaioshin.

The Kaioshin himself mimicking Goku "the strongest warrior ever to exist"

A controlled Goten (Since Goten is getting so much screen time)

A Rouge God of Destruction from one of the Universes that was destroyed that just happens to be a Saiyan and favor Goku.

A Goku clone created by the God's of Destruction of the destroyed universes to take revenge on Omni-King and the Kai's (Green Kai) for destroying their universes. The Green Kai probably sided with the Omni-King, and he could be a time Kaioshin that the God's of Destruction targeted, so that they could send their creation, Black back in time to stop the Omni-King and whatever pissed him off. The God's of Destruction aren't God's anymore so they could've lost their attendants and their time traveling privileges so they needed the time ring.

[successoroffate]

I see some theories that Black may be Goku from the end of GT. Goku on his way back with Shenron may have cause him to go evil. I doubt they will tie GT into all of this, but some people do wonder what happen to Goku after GT though.

I don't see how it fits, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't mind that from happening. It'd be great if it's really GT Goku gone heel, but I think it's highly unlikely. Keeping in mind that Goku kinda died in GT, so we're looking at Revival + Turn heel + the Demigra Looking Earring (which is not helping this theory).

[ryou766]

I see some theories that Black may be Goku from the end of GT. Goku on his way back with Shenron may have cause him to go evil.

This had been a theory among some fans. All the negative energy from the Dragon Ball's being embedded inside of Goku causing some sort of reaction inside of him. But I doubt this is the case with Black. I'm betting that he's simply a creation made by Zamasu. Black seems to know who Goku is, despite never meeting him prior to EP49.

[Chiki]

Goku Black is Future Goku. Future Goku has been evil all along, even since the start of DB, waiting for the chance to take over Earth. He's only been training and fighting bad guys for this long to get stronger. Future Goku faked his heart virus by acting sick in the future timeline and never died. But because Trunks gave him the medicine in the present timeline he didn't act as if the virus killed him. In the future timeline, Future Goku went around destroying planets for the sake of justice after faking his death. In the present timeline, he instead decided to stick with the Z Fighters waiting for his chance to destroy Earth.

[Retan]

Where do you guys think Goku black is from? I mean outside of just saying the future?

[ryou766]

Where do you guys think Goku black is from? I mean outside of just saying the future?

Not everyone here has been suggesting that he's from Trunks' timeline.

But, my assumption is that he was created by that Zamasu character. Either that, or he IS Zamasu.

[rs_chaosmaster]

I honestly think the answer is much more simple I believe Goku Black is Zamasu or the evil Kai, he is likely also one of the gods of Destructions in that timeline. What I am curious about is why he hates Saiyans so bad, what he has against Trunks specifically. I hope all these answers are revealed in Episode 53 Ugh 4 more weeks. I think he took the form of Goku just to spite everyone this is your savior well guess what he is gonna annihilate the entire human race.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I honestly think the answer is much more simple I believe Goku Black is Zamasu or the evil Kai, he is likely also one of the gods of Destructions in that timeline. What I am curious about is why he hates Saiyans so bad, what he has against Trunks specifically. I hope all these answers are revealed in Episode 53 Ugh 4 more weeks. I think he took the form of Goku just to spite everyone this is your savior well guess what he is gonna annihilate the entire human race.

I don't believe the theory that he hates Saiyans.

To me it sounded more like he was genuinely intrigued. I mean picture this: Black is destroying the Earth and the only one who is able to stand up to him at all is this Saiyan. When he says, paraphrased a bit I'm sure, "What a miserable end to a proud warrior race..." he seems to just be taunting Trunks rather than showing disdain towards the Saiyan race. Also if he has been destroying other planets I doubt he is after Trunks due to that.

My general theory is that Black is sent to eliminate life from entire words based on some corrupted sense of justice for whatever reason. Future Trunks is the only one he can't seem to kill off and the only one willing to stand up to him in battle. That is why he is after Trunks...he can't leave his job unfinished probably for a number of reasons...not the least of which being his pride/ego.

[HeroR]

I remember someone on another web forum did point out after he fly away from the end of GT, he may became evil somehow (maybe the Dragon Balls inside him). With the Time Ring, there is a possible chance that he could have went into different timelines. Personally, I don't want Super be link with GT and have them be shows set in different continuities. It would be interesting to find out on what happen to Goku after GT, but I still doubt it's Goku after the end of GT.

I don't even think the people who wrote GT know what happened to Goku.

[DainIronfoot]

Some of the theories of who Black really is have me going wow lol. There are so many of them, some interesting, some rather silly. The newest one I came across was that Black is Goten who is angry at Trunks for spending so much time with Mai and pilaf gang that he felt ignored and eventually turned bad.

At the moment, I'm just going with the simple theory that Black is in fact Zamasu or his underling.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Here is one no-one has stated or if they have I've missed it.

What if Zamasu was the teacher/master of Black BEFORE he turned evil. Making Zamasu good but also integral to the plot.

[Retan]

Here is one no-one has stated or if they have I've missed it.

What if Zamasu was the teacher/master of Black BEFORE he turned evil. Making Zamasu good but also integral to the plot.

I like this theory, maybe Goku Black believes that Zamasu didn't go far enough on some sort of vengeance, of course, isn't it Zamasu who gave him the ring (Only watched the ep once and it was a lagging bad).?

[Analytical Delusion]

This is kind of a crack theory, but it seems like the obvious route for a guess based on Black's character design.

So, we already have the Potara. Two people each wear one earring, and they combine (permanently). Black is seen wearing a single earring, which looks kind of like a Potara. There's also a green Kaioshin in the intro. Maybe the green guy is a Makaioshin? And maybe, they have earrings which are similar to Potaras, but instead of merging two people wearing them, split the wearer into two halves.

Possible issues with this theory:

1) Black doesn't seem to have seen Goku before. When they meet, it's as if he's seeing him for the first time.
2) I believe in a previous episode, Black called Trunks a Saiyan, speaking as if he himself is not one.
3) Goku is dead in Trunks's timeline. He also died of that heart virus, which is a natural cause, so there's no easy mechanism to bring him back with Namek's Dragon Balls.

This additional point isn't an issue, but a complication...Trunks mentioned that Black had said he'd destroyed several other planets (or cleared their populations out). If this character is an evil, split Goku, Earth would probably be his first target.

So I guess this isn't very likely at all, lots of holes. Maybe the earring is just a red herring.