Unseen Transformations

[Marco Polo]

Emerald Freeza

Freeza said he made his latest form golden in order to mock Goku who had defeated him in a golden Super Saiyan form. But imagine if Piccolo had somehow defeated him in a "Super Namek" form, after fusing with Kami for example...

[Desassina]

Imagine Super Boo releasing the good side of him as another Super Boo, like Fat Boo got fed up with his evil.

[buutenks]

Poor Freeza went through all that trouble making his new form gold, only to find out the new style was blue. ^^

[sintzu]

SsjG3 Vegeta.
Ssj3 Vegeta.
SsjG Vegeta.
SsjG2&3 Gohan.
Cooler's 5th form for Freeza.
Ssj2, 3 & 4 Vegetto.
Base, Ssj2 & Ssj3 Gogeta.

I think it was hinted at in GT that only pure blooded Saiyans could reach Ssj4 but if that's not the case then Ssj4 Gohan & Gotenks.

[Black Hawk]

I doubt that this qualifies, but I've wondered for years if Cell's appearance would have been different had he first absorbed No. 18 instead of No. 17. I doubt it, but the thought has crossed my mind many times.

[Darkprince410]

Emerald Freeza

Freeza said he made his latest form golden in order to mock Goku who had defeated him in a golden Super Saiyan form. But imagine if Piccolo had somehow defeated him in a "Super Namek" form, after fusing with Kami for example...

That's not what Freeza said about why he chose gold as his color. He simply commented that he did it to demonstrate his new power, and nothing to do with having been defeated by a Super Saiya-jin.

From Revival of F:

Freeza: "I settled on gold-colored to make it easy for you to understand. Perhaps it was too on the nose. If you will forgive the tacky naming, shall we call this "Golden Freeza"? But then, you appear to realize that my color is not the only thing that has changed..."

From Super:

Freeza: "I thought the golden color might be too simple, but it seems it made it easy for you to get the point. The name might sound a bit tacky, but shall we call it "Golden Freeza"?"

[Marco Polo]

That's not what Freeza said about why he chose gold as his color. He simply commented that he did it to demonstrate his new power, and nothing to do with having been defeated by a Super Saiya-jin.

From Revival of F:

Freeza: "I settled on gold-colored to make it easy for you to understand. Perhaps it was too on the nose. If you will forgive the tacky naming, shall we call this "Golden Freeza"? But then, you appear to realize that my color is not the only thing that has changed..."

From Super:

Freeza: "I thought the golden color might be too simple, but it seems it made it easy for you to get the point. The name might sound a bit tacky, but shall we call it "Golden Freeza"?"

Lol, you don't seem to understand Freeza's quote(s). He chose the color consciously and as a direct consequence of Goku being his enemy. In other words, he chose golden because Goku was golden. Golden Goku -> Golden Freeza. That's why it's "too on the nose".

[Cetra]

Emerald Freeza

Freeza said he made his latest form golden in order to mock Goku who had defeated him in a golden Super Saiyan form. But imagine if Piccolo had somehow defeated him in a "Super Namek" form, after fusing with Kami for example...

That's not what Freeza said about why he chose gold as his color. He simply commented that he did it to demonstrate his new power, and nothing to do with having been defeated by a Super Saiya-jin.

From Revival of F:

Freeza: "I settled on gold-colored to make it easy for you to understand. Perhaps it was too on the nose. If you will forgive the tacky naming, shall we call this "Golden Freeza"? But then, you appear to realize that my color is not the only thing that has changed..."

From Super:

Freeza: "I thought the golden color might be too simple, but it seems it made it easy for you to get the point. The name might sound a bit tacky, but shall we call it "Golden Freeza"?"

He did it to demonstrate his new power? He chose gold to prove he can change his colour to any colour he wants and that is why he chose gold?

Anyways, Marco is right. it was his grudge against the goldie.

[Lord Frieza]

Have to agree with the others here, the colour choice was a deliberate mocking techniques one Frieza's part. Kind of why I like it so much, its basically a big middle finger to super saiyan. A personal theory I have is both Golden Frieza and Super Cooler are actually the same form, however unlike super saiyan which gives the user the same traits and powers this transformation's power and look are more individualised. The power aspect is influence by that persons individual potential, in this case Frieza's being significantly greater then Cooler's. As for the appearance well as Frize himself pointed out he was able to "will" the form to look the way it did. In Cooler's case he made his new from huge and imposing to intimidate the younger brother he hated so much.

On the topic of SS3 Vegeta, thats never happening Super at this point. The problem with the form is is massive power drain, hell it even shortens fusion time. Also aside from Goku's first fight with Buu, using SS3 as almost always landed the user in hot water. Gotenks has the aforementioned fusion time shortening (if Buu had not been planning to fight Gohan they'ed be dead mean) and Goku passing out in the middle of his fight with Buu. Outside of the movies the form quickly becomes more of a burden then an asset in a fight and I think thats why Vegeta will never get it. As Cell said, Vegeta likely knew about Grade 2 but never tried to use it because of its limitations and after seeing how it effected Goku its possible Vegeta came to the same conclusion about SS3.

[Captain Strawberry]

Have to agree with the others here, the colour choice was a deliberate mocking techniques one Frieza's part. Kind of why I like it so much, its basically a big middle finger to super saiyan. A personal theory I have is both Golden Frieza and Super Cooler are actually the same form, however unlike super saiyan which gives the user the same traits and powers this transformation's power and look are more individualised. The power aspect is influence by that persons individual potential, in this case Frieza's being significantly greater then Cooler's. As for the appearance well as Frize himself pointed out he was able to "will" the form to look the way it did. In Cooler's case he made his new from huge and imposing to intimidate the younger brother he hated so much.

On the topic of SS3 Vegeta, thats never happening Super at this point. The problem with the form is is massive power drain, hell it even shortens fusion time. Also aside from Goku's first fight with Buu, using SS3 as almost always landed the user in hot water. Gotenks has the aforementioned fusion time shortening (if Buu had not been planning to fight Gohan they'ed be dead mean) and Goku passing out in the middle of his fight with Buu. Outside of the movies the form quickly becomes more of a burden then an asset in a fight and I think thats why Vegeta will never get it. As Cell said, Vegeta likely knew about Grade 2 but never tried to use it because of its limitations and after seeing how it effected Goku its possible Vegeta came to the same conclusion about SS3.

Milord, did you have a personal tutor given by your father? You are from royalty after all from an empire. Remarkable intelligence.

[TheMikado]

Technically Saiyans now have three transformation branches which are independent of one another so any combination should be technically possible. Tranformation branches being

Ozaru
SSJ
God

So technically you could get a SSJ God Ozaru.

I'm still really disappointed that Cabba did have his own unique tranformation for Saiyans of that universe.... ;_;

[Pantalones]

A personal theory I have is both Golden Frieza and Super Cooler are actually the same form, however unlike super saiyan which gives the user the same traits and powers this transformation's power and look are more individualised. The power aspect is influence by that persons individual potential, in this case Frieza's being significantly greater then Cooler's. As for the appearance well as Frize himself pointed out he was able to "will" the form to look the way it did. In Cooler's case he made his new from huge and imposing to intimidate the younger brother he hated so much.

They're referred to by different terms, though -- Cooler's is "Super Evolution" while Freeza's is "Ultimate Evolution." To me that makes it sound like Cooler's is a lower level in the same "line" as Freeza's, kinda like regular Super Saiyan compared to Super Saiyan 3 (which is a comparison that fits especially well considering how rapidly Freeza's golden form drains his power), and Freeza's prodigy-ness just let him skip right over the "Super Evolution" form and reach "Ultimate Evolution" right away... kinda like how Gotenks seems to jump straight from Super Saiyan to SSj3 with minimal training. Maybe there could even be an "Ultra Evolution" (or something along those lines) stage in between the two that's basically like Cooler's form but a little spikier and with lightning?

I'd say that your idea that Cooler's own version of the "Ultimate Evolution" form would turn out looking a lot different than Freeza's golden almost-like-his-4th-form version is pretty likely, though. Considering that Freeza was able to influence what the form looked like, Cooler should be able to do it too if he reached a form like that.

[Power Metal]

I doubt that this qualifies, but I've wondered for years if Cell's appearance would have been different had he first absorbed No. 18 instead of No. 17. I doubt it, but the thought has crossed my mind many times.

I've thought about this before too. I think if anything, his semi-perfect form would've been different while his perfect form would still be the same regardless of which android was absorbed first.

[Black Hawk]

I doubt that this qualifies, but I've wondered for years if Cell's appearance would have been different had he first absorbed No. 18 instead of No. 17. I doubt it, but the thought has crossed my mind many times.

I've thought about this before too. I think if anything, his semi-perfect form would've been different while his perfect form would still be the same regardless of which android was absorbed first.

I'm inclined to agree, to an extent. I think of No. 17 and No. 18 being absorbed by Cell as being somewhat akin to pieces of a puzzle being put together; each piece fits into the puzzle in a different way.

Let's call No. 17 "Piece A", No. 18 "Piece B", and Cell "Piece C" and think of them as puzzle pieces. If Piece A and Piece B fit with Piece C in the same way, then Piece A + Piece C = Piece B + Piece C, resulting in the same form (Second Form/Semi-Perfect Cell). If Piece A and Piece B fit with Piece C in different ways, Piece A + Piece C does not equal Piece B + Piece C, resulting in two different forms, one being the Second Form Cell we know and the other being an unseen form. Both pieces ultimately being added to the puzzle results in the same outcome, Perfect Cell, regardless of addition order, just as you mentioned.

Might this be a feasible way to rationalize what happens when Cell absorbs No. 17 and/or No. 18?

[Anime Kitten]

I like it. Makes sense. Although it's unlikely we'll see the other form, given it exists.

Here's a couple more: Super Evolution Frieza, Meta-Frieza, and Ultimate Evolution Cooler.

[Black Hawk]

Here's a couple more: Super Evolution Frieza, Meta-Frieza, and Ultimate Evolution Cooler.

In addition, I'd really love to see a short gag manga (perhaps by Ooishi Naho) about Kuriza/Kreeza (Freeza's son who appeared in Neko Majin Z) showing up with a blue-colored transformation instead of gold after hearing that his father was killed again by a blue-haired Super Saiyajin, only to find out that Super Saiyajin has moved on to some other new color.

[Anime Kitten]

Hah, that would be awesome. Blue Kuriza VS Super Saiyan Blue Goten?

[Tectorman]

Technically Saiyans now have three transformation branches which are independent of one another so any combination should be technically possible. Tranformation branches being

Ozaru
SSJ
God

So technically you could get a SSJ God Ozaru.

I'm still really disappointed that Cabba did have his own unique tranformation for Saiyans of that universe.... ;_;

In the movie, at least, God and Oozaru don't seem to mix. The original SSJG had a tail, and was surrounded by Oozarus, so presumably there was a full moon out. So unless we're arguing that the original SSJG fought that entire fight without ever looking at the moon, then it's pretty safe to say that God overrides Oozaru.

[TheMikado]

Technically Saiyans now have three transformation branches which are independent of one another so any combination should be technically possible. Tranformation branches being

Ozaru
SSJ
God

So technically you could get a SSJ God Ozaru.

I'm still really disappointed that Cabba did have his own unique tranformation for Saiyans of that universe.... ;_;

In the movie, at least, God and Oozaru don't seem to mix. The original SSJG had a tail, and was surrounded by Oozarus, so presumably there was a full moon out. So unless we're arguing that the original SSJG fought that entire fight without ever looking at the moon, then it's pretty safe to say that God overrides Oozaru.

It doesn't say anything either way specifically and if his intent was to story the destructive Oozaru I assume he would have wanted to remain in his sane mind as much as possible. Either way the fact that nothing is said about it is also disheartening.

[Lord Frieza]

Milord, did you have a personal tutor given by your father? You are from royalty after all from an empire. Remarkable intelligence.

I am humbled by your praise. However I am nothing special, though I bare the name of an emperor, I am a simple man whose thirst for knowledge has granted him some insight.