"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[ArchedThunder]

Anyways 54 I really REALLY hope covers the process to SSJB. That should have been in the ROF arc, but I'll take it if we can get it here. Let's get maybe that fanon reasoning that gods can't participate in the ritual, so that's why no one uses it. It's a good theory. Let's see more maybe flashbacks of how Goku and Vegeta achieved the state while Vegeta trains Trunks. However I feel that since we saw that Pink Blacku without any sign of SSJB Trunks, he might not get that state at all. I'm all for SSJB Trunks as it gives us another character who can compete at the main event, as well as Vegeta already killed all specialty of god stuff for me anyways.

The feeling I got from the shot of Trunks over the water is that Vegeta is going to tell him that the key to unlocking Super Saiyan Blue is ki control.
I don't think the cards mean he isn't getting the form, the cards also didn't have Blue Goku and it's the first DBS Trunks card for those art cards, so I imagine they just felt like picking his base form over any transformation, while for some reason doing the opposite for Black. If he wasn't getting Blue they still could have used Super Saiyan, but they didn't. It's also possible that we'll see Black's transformation before Blue Trunks anyways.

EDIT: Didn't mean to double post

[Boo Machine]

Anyways 54 I really REALLY hope covers the process to SSJB. That should have been in the ROF arc, but I'll take it if we can get it here. Let's get maybe that fanon reasoning that gods can't participate in the ritual, so that's why no one uses it. It's a good theory. Let's see more maybe flashbacks of how Goku and Vegeta achieved the state while Vegeta trains Trunks. However I feel that since we saw that Pink Blacku without any sign of SSJB Trunks, he might not get that state at all. I'm all for SSJB Trunks as it gives us another character who can compete at the main event, as well as Vegeta already killed all specialty of god stuff for me anyways.

Even if he doesn't achive SSJ blue, I can see him Getting stronger due to Vegeta teaching him the new way to control Ki that him and goku have been using.

If that's the case here is hoping that's enough.

[Avok]

That list of scenes where characters getting holes blasted through them, something you said doesn't happen.

Yeah, you're right on that, it has happened, but the way they're portrayed is different, because the show need to be more tamed in order to adjust to today's standarts, and that was my point.

https://youtu.be/JidA5vsBvxg?t=50s
https://youtu.be/7dHQE6yGMQI?t=5m34s

When Beerus pierces Goku you don't see anything more than the hole in his shirt. When Frieza blasts Piccolo the beam doesn't even pierce him, and so on.

And I don't want to begin with the lack of impact of those scenes you mentioned.

[dbzfan7]

Anyways 54 I really REALLY hope covers the process to SSJB. That should have been in the ROF arc, but I'll take it if we can get it here. Let's get maybe that fanon reasoning that gods can't participate in the ritual, so that's why no one uses it. It's a good theory. Let's see more maybe flashbacks of how Goku and Vegeta achieved the state while Vegeta trains Trunks. However I feel that since we saw that Pink Blacku without any sign of SSJB Trunks, he might not get that state at all. I'm all for SSJB Trunks as it gives us another character who can compete at the main event, as well as Vegeta already killed all specialty of god stuff for me anyways.

The feeling I got from the shot of Trunks over the water is that Vegeta is going to tell him that the key to unlocking Super Saiyan Blue is ki control.
I don't think the cards mean he isn't getting the form, the cards also didn't have Blue Goku and it's the first DBS Trunks card for those art cards, so I imagine they just felt like picking his base form over any transformation, while for some reason doing the opposite for Black. If he wasn't getting Blue they still could have used Super Saiyan, but they didn't. It's also possible that we'll see Black's transformation before Blue Trunks anyways.

It's merely an observation of course. I know it doesn't mean he won't become an SSJB, but it could potentially mean that. That's all I'm saying. Could also mean he gets it later, which I honestly hope is the case. Hopefully he doesn't get it right away. They fight Black and he's more powerful over the show. Then eventually Trunks gets it after a longer training period and hopefully he ends up saving his future. It'd be nice if the past helps him solve his problem, instead of just takes care of it for him all together. Though I suppose he did do it himself against lesser opponents, which kinda takes out some of the awe.

Anyways 54 I really REALLY hope covers the process to SSJB. That should have been in the ROF arc, but I'll take it if we can get it here. Let's get maybe that fanon reasoning that gods can't participate in the ritual, so that's why no one uses it. It's a good theory. Let's see more maybe flashbacks of how Goku and Vegeta achieved the state while Vegeta trains Trunks. However I feel that since we saw that Pink Blacku without any sign of SSJB Trunks, he might not get that state at all. I'm all for SSJB Trunks as it gives us another character who can compete at the main event, as well as Vegeta already killed all specialty of god stuff for me anyways.

Even if he doesn't achive SSJ blue, I can see him Getting stronger due to Vegeta teaching him the new way to control Ki that him and goku have been using.

If that's the case here is hoping that's enough.

Eh the show is pretty much Blue or bust for the main characters. I don't think Trunks would get any alternative.

[SSJ Human]

Do Beerus and Whis really hinder any threats? Aside from Whis reversing time that one moment, They haven't seemed like they are ready to jump in anytime Goku or vegeta fails.

Black knew who beerus was and that didn't stop him from doing anything nor did Beerus lift a finger to help despite his complaints about black and all the time travel.

Black knows that Beerus and Whis won't mess with him unless he steps out of line, by a very wide margin.

[sintzu]

I mean, I don't want us to devolve into actual personal shit-talking, but I'm not convinced these people exist.

You haven't seen anyone defend Super's quality and writing and accuse who don't like them of not knowing what they're talking about ?

[HeroR]

Do Beerus and Whis really hinder any threats? Aside from Whis reversing time that one moment, They haven't seemed like they are ready to jump in anytime Goku or vegeta fails.

Black knew who beerus was and that didn't stop him from doing anything nor did Beerus lift a finger to help despite his complaints about black and all the time travel.

Black knows that Beerus and Whis won't mess with him unless he steps out of line, by a very wide margin.

We don't know what Black knows. He just notes Beerus' existence and didn't react.

[Mazingerdestro]

Do Beerus and Whis really hinder any threats? Aside from Whis reversing time that one moment, They haven't seemed like they are ready to jump in anytime Goku or vegeta fails.

Black knew who beerus was and that didn't stop him from doing anything nor did Beerus lift a finger to help despite his complaints about black and all the time travel.

Black knows that Beerus and Whis won't mess with him unless he steps out of line, by a very wide margin.

We don't know what Black knows. He just notes Beerus' existence and didn't react.

If Black is Zamasu then I am pretty sure that he knows all the God "bureaucracy" and has already studied Beerus. However, I can see Beerus getting pissed that a lowly Kaio is doing his job+if people are dead how will Beerus get his food except if.....Beerus is dead in the future??

[dbs fanboy]

Who's saying that Super is flawless ?

In 53's topic there were people saying that Goku has always acted like that which we know isn't true.

Some people will say the franchise has always had bad animation and art which like the above, we know isn't true.

Again, I have nothing against people who enjoy Super for what it is which I do as well but I don't see why Super's fanboys try to make the original look bad instead of asking for Super to be as good as the original.

I thought that censorship was due to different times .

One Piece airs right after Super and is just as serious and violent as its always been.

But i'm talking about this thread not the other one.I don't know, i disagree with them but the same thing happened with Gohan, i was one of those who were defending that episode (but just a little cause i don't think that Gohan likes his job). Different people with different opinions i guess, i wouldn't call them apologists yet.

The real apologists that i've met are from youtube, lol basically youtube is home for haters apologists and etc

Lots of posts....oh it's just more fighting...lovely. Why there always got to be haters and apologists butting heads? It's never just "Oh you hate this, well good for you whatever." "You like this, well good for you I don't." Instead it's like some weird internet fight for the honor of a fictional tv show. "It's animation is dumb" "It's way better than that shit GT" "GT is better than this shit" "Goku is always like this you don't know the series" "Goku is really really childish more than ever before". Now some of that makes for an interesting discussion, but it all seems to fall back on fighting over the honor of a tv show in a franchise. Never really feels like varying viewpoints mixed into one bowl, but two sides trying to objectively prove one side is right.

Anyways 54 I really REALLY hope covers the process to SSJB. That should have been in the ROF arc, but I'll take it if we can get it here. Let's get maybe that fanon reasoning that gods can't participate in the ritual, so that's why no one uses it. It's a good theory. Let's see more maybe flashbacks of how Goku and Vegeta achieved the state while Vegeta trains Trunks. However I feel that since we saw that Pink Blacku without any sign of SSJB Trunks, he might not get that state at all. I'm all for SSJB Trunks as it gives us another character who can compete at the main event, as well as Vegeta already killed all specialty of god stuff for me anyways.

You're so damn right with your post............
If this happened i could pretty much watch any dragon ball related video without fearing a flame war.

Anyways, about the preview, I think that Future Trunks is just getting stronger as he's controlling his ki, i hope that he gets Blue but after some time, that would be great, imagine it, Trunks could unlock this form after a lot of pain, but instead getting angry, he would be calm achieving the "god form".

[Ajay]

You're so damn right with your post............

Please think about your contributions before making them; a simple “Yes” or “I agree”, while having a perfectly fine sentiment behind them, do not actually add anything substantial to the on-going conversations. This is outlined in the forum rules, which you agreed to (twice) upon registration.

Likewise, double-posts are frowned upon. You have two hours to edit your contributions after they're initially posted, so please make good use of this function by combining multiple replies into a single post. It keeps the threads nice and tidy for everyone.

Thanks!

[dbs fanboy]

You're so damn right with your post............

Please think about your contributions before making them; a simple “Yes” or “I agree”, while having a perfectly fine sentiment behind them, do not actually add anything substantial to the on-going conversations. This is outlined in the forum rules, which you agreed to (twice) upon registration.

Likewise, double-posts are frowned upon. You have two hours to edit your contributions after they're initially posted, so please make good use of this function by combining multiple replies into a single post. It keeps the threads nice and tidy for everyone.

Thanks!

Ok, i'll do it, thanks for the advice.

[Vados_chan]

Please think about your contributions before making them; a simple “Yes” or “I agree”, while having a perfectly fine sentiment behind them, do not actually add anything substantial to the on-going conversations. This is outlined in the forum rules, which you agreed to (twice) upon registration.

Likewise, double-posts are frowned upon. You have two hours to edit your contributions after they're initially posted, so please make good use of this function by combining multiple replies into a single post. It keeps the threads nice and tidy for everyone.

Thanks!

lol police state forum.

And here i qas thinking there was news, just people arguing about Super again.

[HECTOR4]

Fuji TV Chapter 34 synopsis. Can someone translate this, please? ^^:

ゴクウブラックの正体は依然としてつかめないものの、悟空の強さに驚く未来トランクス。そんなトランクスにベジータが「稽古をつけてやる」と声をかける！

Link: http://www.fujitv.co.jp/b_hp/dragonball_super/

[Ajay]

lol police state forum.

The rules are the rules and you agreed to them twice prior to registration. They exist to ensure the forum remains a place where discussion can blossom.

As you can see, dbs fanboy listened to the polite reminder, and edited his post accordingly. That's all we're after.

If the rules don't suit you, then you are more than free to find another community to be a part of. We really don't ask for much here.

[Nejishiki]

Fuji TV Chapter 34 synopsis. Can someone translate this, please? ^^:

ゴクウブラックの正体は依然としてつかめないものの、悟空の強さに驚く未来トランクス。そんなトランクスにベジータが「稽古をつけてやる」と声をかける！

Link: http://www.fujitv.co.jp/b_hp/dragonball_super/

There isn't any noteworthy information I'm seeing. Goku Black has yet to be revealed and Vegeta takes it upon himself to train Future Trunks. Corrections to this are welcome.

[Swifticuffs]

Does anyone think this arc is going to harken back to a "split" of sorts like Piccolo Daimo and Kami? The theories of Zamasu=/=Gokuu Black due to not being able to Ki sense, Time paradox in the current timeline, etc make me doubt this theory but... he's got to have something to do with Zamasu due to Whis, Gokuu, and Beerus all feeling Gokuu Black during the fight, right?

Thanks for help and feedback on this.

[DBS916]

Does anyone think this arc is going to harken back to a "split" of sorts like Piccolo Daimo and Kami? The theories of Zamasu=/=Gokuu Black due to not being able to Ki sense, Time paradox in the current timeline, etc make me doubt this theory but... he's got to have something to do with Zamasu due to Whis, Gokuu, and Beerus all feeling Gokuu Black during the fight, right?

Thanks for help and feedback on this.

No, you're on the right track. With time travel I expect to see the future version of Zamasu and how his actions led to the creation of Goku Black. Like Kami, future Zamasu will separate the evil from himself; creating Goku Black, while he'll graduate to the position of Supreme Kai in Universe 10.

[Swifticuffs]

Does anyone think this arc is going to harken back to a "split" of sorts like Piccolo Daimo and Kami? The theories of Zamasu=/=Gokuu Black due to not being able to Ki sense, Time paradox in the current timeline, etc make me doubt this theory but... he's got to have something to do with Zamasu due to Whis, Gokuu, and Beerus all feeling Gokuu Black during the fight, right?

Thanks for help and feedback on this.

No, you're on the right track. With time travel I expect to see the future version of Zamasu and how his actions led to the creation of Goku Black. Like Kami, future Zamasu will separate the evil from himself; creating Goku Black, while he'll graduate to the position of Supreme Kai in Universe 10.

Thanks for this. That said, I can't find it, but was there a quote where Gokuu Black talked about how the gods didn't want to take action, so he would? Along those lines? I feel this further substantiates our hypothesis that he is Zamasu yet isn't (split theory).

Thanks brother.

[DBS916]

Does anyone think this arc is going to harken back to a "split" of sorts like Piccolo Daimo and Kami? The theories of Zamasu=/=Gokuu Black due to not being able to Ki sense, Time paradox in the current timeline, etc make me doubt this theory but... he's got to have something to do with Zamasu due to Whis, Gokuu, and Beerus all feeling Gokuu Black during the fight, right?

Thanks for help and feedback on this.

No, you're on the right track. With time travel I expect to see the future version of Zamasu and how his actions led to the creation of Goku Black. Like Kami, future Zamasu will separate the evil from himself; creating Goku Black, while he'll graduate to the position of Supreme Kai in Universe 10.

Thanks for this. That said, I can't find it, but was there a quote where Gokuu Black talked about how the gods didn't want to take action, so he would? Along those lines? I feel this further substantiates our hypothesis that he is Zamasu yet isn't (split theory).

Thanks brother.

Yes, that's from episode 51: The Feelings that Surpass Time Trunks and Mai. The Dragon Ball Wiki has the quote in Goku Black's entry.

"I am looking at things from a much higher perspective than you. I observe this world, this universe, the truth of all things. And I have realised that Humans must be destroyed. Out of all which the Gods have made, humans are their sole failure. In order to make this world, this universe, into a beautiful utopia, I must remove humanity, in place of the Gods who refuse to admit their mistake."

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Goku_Black

[Swifticuffs]

No, you're on the right track. With time travel I expect to see the future version of Zamasu and how his actions led to the creation of Goku Black. Like Kami, future Zamasu will separate the evil from himself; creating Goku Black, while he'll graduate to the position of Supreme Kai in Universe 10.

Thanks for this. That said, I can't find it, but was there a quote where Gokuu Black talked about how the gods didn't want to take action, so he would? Along those lines? I feel this further substantiates our hypothesis that he is Zamasu yet isn't (split theory).

Thanks brother.

Yes, that's from episode 51: The Feelings that Surpass Time Trunks and Mai. The Dragon Ball Wiki has the quote in Goku Black's entry.

"I am looking at things from a much higher perspective than you. I observe this world, this universe, the truth of all things. And I have realised that Humans must be destroyed. Out of all which the Gods have made, humans are their sole failure. In order to make this world, this universe, into a beautiful utopia, I must remove humanity, in place of the Gods who refuse to admit their mistake."

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Goku_Black

Awesome, thanks once more. Now I'm sure of it. He isn't Zamasu directly, but either a creation from Zamasu or a Piccolo style evil/good split. Or plot twist and he's Gowasu, but that'd... I don't know. What does make sense in DB lol...