Should Super Involve battle-damage?

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Re: Should Super Involve battle-damage?

Post by Faisal Shourov » Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:20 pm

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Alruneia wrote:Well, obviously. We don't need to have limbs flying extreme death scenes or anything, but the impact of a tough battle should be visible on the fighters.
I don't think we need something quite as heavy in a kids' show as...
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...but somewhat below this level would probably be good.
Super might be a kids show but DBZ was not. Doraemon is a kids show, there should be appropriate amount of gore in battle shonen anime.
Yes. It. Was. And there is no certain amount of gore that battle shonen should have.
Are you confusing the audince of DBZ and Doraemon? They're not targeted at same demographics. Same with DBZ and Tokyo Ghoul.
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Re: Should Super Involve battle-damage?

Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:32 pm

Faisal Shourov wrote:Are you confusing the audince of DBZ and Doraemon? They're not targeted at same demographics. Same with DBZ and Tokyo Ghoul.
DBZ and Doraemon don't have the exact same demographic target audience but that doesn't ignore the fact that DBZ was a show aimed at kids and pre-teens.

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Re: Should Super Involve battle-damage?

Post by Dbzfan94 » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:34 pm

Alruneia wrote:Well, obviously. We don't need to have limbs flying extreme death scenes or anything, but the impact of a tough battle should be visible on the fighters.
I don't think we need something quite as heavy in a kids' show as...
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...but somewhat below this level would probably be good.
I don't see why we cant have that level again. It's tame compared to other shonen like One Piece

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Re: Should Super Involve battle-damage?

Post by Draconic » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:15 pm

There's no reason not to do it. If the battle calls for it, it just serves to make it better by emphasizing the toughness of it. And the blood should almost be imperative. I'm not talking gore here, but here and there when it makes sense. Hit kicking Vegeta's ass was so satisfying to watch and the little amount of blood made it feel real, something that was really lacking up to then.
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Re: Should Super Involve battle-damage?

Post by Faisal Shourov » Sat Jul 30, 2016 8:49 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
Faisal Shourov wrote:Are you confusing the audince of DBZ and Doraemon? They're not targeted at same demographics. Same with DBZ and Tokyo Ghoul.
DBZ and Doraemon don't have the exact same demographic target audience but that doesn't ignore the fact that DBZ was a show aimed at kids and pre-teens.
No, DBZ is aimed at pre-teen upto adults. Adults (18+) belong to seinen demographic, DBZ is shounen.
Toyotarō: … I get the feeling I’ve just heard something amazing (laughs). Lord Beerus and Whis turn up in Dragon Ball Super, and have become an unsurpassable wall for Goku and the gang. What do the two of them mean to you?

Toriyama: Well… First off, right now I don’t have any plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis.

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Re: Should Super Involve battle-damage?

Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:36 am

Faisal Shourov wrote:
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Faisal Shourov wrote:Are you confusing the audince of DBZ and Doraemon? They're not targeted at same demographics. Same with DBZ and Tokyo Ghoul.
DBZ and Doraemon don't have the exact same demographic target audience but that doesn't ignore the fact that DBZ was a show aimed at kids and pre-teens.
No, DBZ is aimed at pre-teen upto adults. Adults (18+) belong to seinen demographic, DBZ is shounen.
I know that DBZ is a shonen. But you should then know the the demographic for shonen anime/manga doesn't include adults at all. It's children, typically boys, from elementary school, ages 4–11, up until the very latest age of 15. That's the definition by law in Japan.

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Re: Should Super Involve battle-damage?

Post by Xeztin » Sun Jul 31, 2016 1:56 am

We had a bit of battle damage here, even when it wasn't important at the time could be the only time we will see serious damage to the RoF outfits.
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Re: Should Super Involve battle-damage?

Post by fadeddreams5 » Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:55 pm

Goku is already battle damaged in the head in Super.
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Re: Should Super Involve battle-damage?

Post by Pluto » Sun Jul 31, 2016 1:09 pm

Does the Beerus in Monaka outfit count, cause they tear it apart :P
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Re: Should Super Involve battle-damage?

Post by HybridSaiyan » Mon Aug 01, 2016 7:29 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku is already battle damaged in the head in Super.
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Re: Should Super Involve battle-damage?

Post by Quantum-Kakarrotto » Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:08 pm

Does Gohan's tracksuit having holes in it from Frieza count as battle damage? Also Don't forget about the hole Piccolo had in his Gi after his fight with Frost.

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Re: Should Super Involve battle-damage?

Post by Faisal Shourov » Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:58 pm

Quantum-Kakarrotto wrote:Does Gohan's tracksuit having holes in it from Frieza count as battle damage? Also Don't forget about the hole Piccolo had in his Gi after his fight with Frost.
It's not about having damage per say, just damage that's meaningful and emphasized for dramatic effect. Like Akame Ga Kill which has lots of gore but they have dramatic value.
Toyotarō: … I get the feeling I’ve just heard something amazing (laughs). Lord Beerus and Whis turn up in Dragon Ball Super, and have become an unsurpassable wall for Goku and the gang. What do the two of them mean to you?

Toriyama: Well… First off, right now I don’t have any plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis.

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Re: Should Super Involve battle-damage?

Post by Quantum-Kakarrotto » Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:01 pm

Faisal Shourov wrote:
Quantum-Kakarrotto wrote:Does Gohan's tracksuit having holes in it from Frieza count as battle damage? Also Don't forget about the hole Piccolo had in his Gi after his fight with Frost.
It's not about having damage per say, just damage that's meaningful and emphasized for dramatic effect. Like Akame Ga Kill which has lots of gore but they have dramatic value.
Yeah, I know what you mean. That's one thing I miss having in the series when you see these characters receive battle damage and you can just see how great and how much scale a fight would be. Super so far has had none of that, and barely any in my honest opinion.

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Re: Should Super Involve battle-damage?

Post by FortuneSSJ » Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:00 am

Yes, it should. Battle damage makes the fights feel better.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku is already battle damaged in the head in Super.
He has officially brain damage since the Saiyan arc, literally.
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Re: Should Super Involve battle-damage?

Post by buutenks » Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:49 pm

Think, Vegeta's lip bled vs Hit..lol

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Re: Should Super Involve battle-damage?

Post by Faisal Shourov » Wed Aug 10, 2016 7:47 pm

Quantum-Kakarrotto wrote: Yeah, I know what you mean. That's one thing I miss having in the series when you see these characters receive battle damage and you can just see how great and how much scale a fight would be. Super so far has had none of that, and barely any in my honest opinion.
Only battle damage in Super was when Beerus stabbed Goku in the heart (which was dramatic). But as we have all watched the BoG movie before, we knew Goku wouldn't die (not that it matters since death is meaningless in Dragon Ball)

Ironic how the Dragon Balls which the show is named after is responsible for killing any suspense or thrill we could get now. Fights are only good when they matter for something.
Toyotarō: … I get the feeling I’ve just heard something amazing (laughs). Lord Beerus and Whis turn up in Dragon Ball Super, and have become an unsurpassable wall for Goku and the gang. What do the two of them mean to you?

Toriyama: Well… First off, right now I don’t have any plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis.

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Re: Should Super Involve battle-damage?

Post by Freeza9000 » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:27 pm

Well, Goku's clothes/GI were ripped and battle damaged in his battle against Beerus in the BOG arc when he was holding off against Beerus' energy sphere and when Goku got stabbed by Beerus.

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