"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[shadowmaria]

Heroes introduced SSJ3 Trunks years and years ago. It is not something fan made since F aired

See the footage on YT and see for yourself

[Lionel]

Okay, I can take Trunks being more stronger that he already is, but I can't take he being stronger than a SSJ3 as a SSJ2, why not give him the damn transformation?

Did anyone have any reservations concerning Future Gohan in Base being stronger than SSJ Trunks? Each character has their own respective potential and strengths. If you ask me, I have no issues with SSJ Gohan being above Cell after training with the Z-Sword.

[namekiansaiyan]

Here is the translation by Mr. Herms
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Trunks getting more powerful is just ridiculous as he has done no training.

[Pannaliciour]

Like it or not but introducing SsjB gogeta with KK times 10 and ssj3 Trunks , fans will go crazy (positive). Even if its not in line with dragon ball at all.

[sintzu]

Like it or not but introducing SsjB gogeta with KK times 10 and ssj3 Trunks , fans will go crazy (positive). Even if its not in line with dragon ball at all.

Goku and Vegeta's power is so high that they probably won't even need SsjB let alone that alongside Kaioken ×10.

[HeroR]

Okay. This is a stretch of a prediction, but I'm hoping this is what will happen.

Black will quite easily overpower Goku, forcing the latter to use Kaioken. He gains somewhat of an advantage, but Black quickly learns about this. Goku ups his KK to x10, finally overpowering Black. Now, I can't envision the ending just yet, but I'd love the Delayed Onset Ki Disorder to make a return and have permanent (or at least lasting) consequences.

What do you say?

Kaio-ken Super Saiyan Blue was filler, and the Delayed Onset Ki Disorder was another excuse for Goku to stop using Kaio-ken, along with how risky it is using it with a 1/10th chance working, and the heavy damage it causes to the body after using it. Toei introduced it for a one-time-only show, and then gave Goku multiple reasons to not use it again, which are meant to explain why we'll never see it again.

The Kaio-Ken/Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan combo is no more filler than the manga using Super Saiyan God twice. And the Kaio-Ken had multiple reasons not to go over a double in the original source. Not to mention, since Super isn't even yet, it's too soon to say it's was just an one-time used.

In either case, this is an incorrect used of the word filler. Filler is when something that has no overall bearing in the story. The Kaio-Ken/Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan combo was a big part of Goku's fight against Hit. So, even if it never reappeared again for the reasons you named, it wouldn't be called filler.

[vashter]

Wait a min.... THERE going be a SSJ3 Trunks possibly?

[TheMikado]

Can't speak for anyone else, but for me personally, the source of the material is very important. If something doesn't come from Toriyama, I'm not particularly interested in it, and would tune out/drop the series, or if it is past material, would just forget about it (AT has built up his world, and I'm interested in seeing what his vision specifically is). Definitely wouldn't hold it against anybody, and those who enjoy expanded universe type material should have every right to do so.

You do realize the whole Gods of Destruction and Goku becoming a God thing wasn't from Toriyama right?? Toei literally pitched him a preconceived rough script with plot points, themes, character designs etc, fortunately he ended up rewriting most of it, but the core concepts of the new Dragonball series with Gods was a Toei invention, not a Toriyama one.

With what stance did you approach your work?
To be honest, I was busy as it was with just my own job1, so I didn’t intend to get involved with the animation. The rough script I read in order to check it over had an interesting-sounding theme of a God of Destruction, but the contents were a little dark, so while I was in the midst of giving advice on how to improve it, I got carried away and ended up writing almost everything. For the character designs, as well, I had an image of them to a certain extent while I was thinking up the contents [of the movie], so I decided that it would be faster to just draw them myself rather than asking for this or that.
About the movie-original characters

When you heard “God of Destruction”, what ideas did you suggest, Toriyama-sensei?
The God of Destruction I [initially] received was a malevolent, dark character. For a twisted guy like me, I took the stereotypical image you’d think of from the name “God of Destruction”, then went ahead and reversed everything, leaving only his fearsomeness. My style is to first tear down the image, then think up the contents. Also, there was a request to have the whole cast appear since it was the first animation in a while, so that’s how the contents came about.
Did you make any requests for the direction of Beerus’ battle?
I did generally write in a rough idea of their exchanges, but apart from that, I left the battle scenes up to the people on the anime staff. They’ve been doing Dragon Ball for a long time, and I believed that leaving the animation up to talented professionals would result in something much better than thinking it up for myself. And it was just the kind of quality I expected.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... -toriyama/

[Baggie_Saiyan]

This SS3 Trunks thing reminds me when people thought Vegeta was going get SS3 in the BoG arc. It's. Not. Going. To. Happen.

[Pannaliciour]

Can't speak for anyone else, but for me personally, the source of the material is very important. If something doesn't come from Toriyama, I'm not particularly interested in it, and would tune out/drop the series, or if it is past material, would just forget about it (AT has built up his world, and I'm interested in seeing what his vision specifically is). Definitely wouldn't hold it against anybody, and those who enjoy expanded universe type material should have every right to do so.

You do realize the whole Gods of Destruction and Goku becoming a God thing wasn't from Toriyama right?? Toei literally pitched him a preconceived rough script with plot points, themes, character designs etc, fortunately he ended up rewriting most of it, but the core concepts of the new Dragonball series with Gods was a Toei invention, not a Toriyama one.

With what stance did you approach your work?
To be honest, I was busy as it was with just my own job1, so I didn’t intend to get involved with the animation. The rough script I read in order to check it over had an interesting-sounding theme of a God of Destruction, but the contents were a little dark, so while I was in the midst of giving advice on how to improve it, I got carried away and ended up writing almost everything. For the character designs, as well, I had an image of them to a certain extent while I was thinking up the contents [of the movie], so I decided that it would be faster to just draw them myself rather than asking for this or that.
About the movie-original characters

When you heard “God of Destruction”, what ideas did you suggest, Toriyama-sensei?
The God of Destruction I [initially] received was a malevolent, dark character. For a twisted guy like me, I took the stereotypical image you’d think of from the name “God of Destruction”, then went ahead and reversed everything, leaving only his fearsomeness. My style is to first tear down the image, then think up the contents. Also, there was a request to have the whole cast appear since it was the first animation in a while, so that’s how the contents came about.
Did you make any requests for the direction of Beerus’ battle?
I did generally write in a rough idea of their exchanges, but apart from that, I left the battle scenes up to the people on the anime staff. They’ve been doing Dragon Ball for a long time, and I believed that leaving the animation up to talented professionals would result in something much better than thinking it up for myself. And it was just the kind of quality I expected.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... -toriyama/

Hmm reallly i thought Toriyama came up with Beerus because of his cat? Or was he talking about Beerus design?

[vashter]

This SS3 Trunks thing reminds me when people thought Vegeta was going get SS3 in the BoG arc. It's. Not. Going. To. Happen.

Yea, but someone said in the manga that trunks went ssj3 and hero also if I'm not mistaken?

[vashter]

Trunks' great one day of training. I guess this might explain why the manga had him on Goku SSJ3+ level from the start.

really? can you show me manga? that like saying people thought vegeta going SSJ in middle of Ep 7 or 8? but no manga or in bog at all, but trunks get a ssj 3 already in manga? hmmm

[TheMikado]

Hmm reallly i thought Toriyama came up with Beerus because of his cat? Or was he talking about Beerus design?

His design, the original Toei script called for him to be a lizard or something.

[Lord Frieza]

They had an almost entirely different story for the original BoG movie. However Toriyama made a very large amount of changes to the story with the concept of Super Saiyan God and Beerus's name being the only things that remained.

From what I can tell the entire aspect and tone of the movie changed after he came on board.

[Lord Beerus]

Here is the translation by Mr. Herms
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Just give Future Trunks SSJ3 already. Thankfully, the anime hasn't gone down the bullshit route of SSJ2 Future Trunks being on par with with SSJ3 Goku like the manga did, so they have golden opportunity to pull the trigger for Future Trunks to have another new form, and sell a crap load of new merch.

[nite_jay]

So did Trunks pull a quick 12 hour RoSaT run while he was "sleeping"? I can't see where he could put any more time in to train.

[ailema88]

This SS3 Trunks thing reminds me when people thought Vegeta was going get SS3 in the BoG arc. It's. Not. Going. To. Happen.

Yeah, I don't think that happens too, and I think Zamasu is in a higher level and Trunks has no chance to win, also is too early in the arc to such a thing like that happens.

[kinisking]

Three options for the trunks training.
1. He's been training more than we previously saw.
2. It's referencing the training he did before he came back.
3. It's complete bs and apparently he absorbs power like Black now.

[namekiansaiyan]

Three options for the trunks training.
1. He's been training more than we previously saw.
2. It's referencing the training he did before he came back.
3. It's complete bs and apparently he absorbs power like Black now.

Number 3 as the other 2 make no sense, I just hope that the preview card is over exaggerating a bit.

[THEGOKU]

Well he must have been training more than what we saw because Bulma even said he needs to rest from all the training. Its like when they were in the time chamber just because we didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. I am just happy to finally see someone other than Goku and Vegeta getting some spotlight in a fight and hopefully Trunks can win. I doubt the fight ends here though. Plus some kind of fusion or something has to be done with Vegeta the guy was stabbed I doubt he can take that pain for much longer.