Is Nozawa's voice the only thing that turns people off of the Japanese version?

[Bansho64]

Hardcore? Is that what you value in a product? I care more about integrity.

I think he was joking.

[kinisking]

Although Gohan's my favorite character, it was Goku's voice that really turned me off from the japanese version at first. I don't know why, but I didn't really care that Gohan or Goten had high voices. That's all I knew of the japanese version before Super. Now, it's different. I've become neutral on Goku's voice (love Black's and Goten's though).

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Hardcore? Is that what you value in a product? I care more about integrity.

I think he was joking.

Either way, what he said represents a large portion of fandom. Albiet not so much on this site.

[floofychan333]

Not just that, every female Japanese voice sounds strained and unnatural.
Also, I don't personally mind Nozawa but there's no denying that at times she isn't even trying to sound like a man.

This totally misses the point. She wasn't trying to sound like a man, she was trying to represent the best she can of Goku's character. I take it you aren't familiar with theatrics either.

As far as the "all female Japanese voices" bit, oh my... As a scientist would say, "You're not even wrong."

I just meant in the show. That might be perfectly natural in Japanese but I'm allowed to be slightly weirded out by the voices, aren't I? By the way, I actually like Ryo Horikawa better than Chris Sabat as Vegeta and I can enjoy watching the Japanese version regardless of everything so I'm not really a hater. I just have noticed that Nozawa is at times very believable as a male character but sometimes is very clearly an old lady. I guess that's not really what they were going for but I still will always think Sean Schemmel is the voice of Goku.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Not just that, every female Japanese voice sounds strained and unnatural.
Also, I don't personally mind Nozawa but there's no denying that at times she isn't even trying to sound like a man.

This totally misses the point. She wasn't trying to sound like a man, she was trying to represent the best she can of Goku's character. I take it you aren't familiar with theatrics either.

As far as the "all female Japanese voices" bit, oh my... As a scientist would say, "You're not even wrong."

I just meant in the show. That might be perfectly natural in Japanese but I'm allowed to be slightly weirded out by the voices, aren't I? By the way, I actually like Ryo Horikawa better than Chris Sabat as Vegeta and I can enjoy watching the Japanese version regardless of everything so I'm not really a hater. I just have noticed that Nozawa is at times very believable as a male character but sometimes is very clearly an old lady. I guess that's not really what they were going for but I still will always think Sean Schemmel is the voice of Goku.

Sure, I don't mind that, but that's not what you said.

every female Japanese voice sounds strained and unnatural.

[fadeddreams5]

In a nutshell, some people dislike the Japanese version due to...

a) The characters sounding high-pitched due to Nozawa's voice, and others sounding like children (i.e. Krillin and Yajirobe).

b) The music. It's not really even about having a fondness to Faulconer (though some people are more Faulconer fans than DBZ fans, so they hate anything without it), but just a dislike for the Kikuchi soundtrack due to it sounding too "1960s" or something. It sounds too old school and bland for some people. I'm not a fan of it, but I have grown to appreciate it a lot more since Sumitomo came into the picture.

c) Not liking to read subs.

[PsionicWarrior]

a) The characters sounding high-pitched due to Nozawa's voice, and others sounding like children (i.e. Krillin and Yajirobe).

Heresy!

just a dislike for the Kikuchi soundtrack

Heresy!

Not liking to read subs.

K that's just lazy.

[MCDaveG]

Hardcore? Is that what you value in a product? I care more about integrity.

I think he was joking.

Either way, what he said represents a large portion of fandom. Albiet not so much on this site.

Sorry, I trolled, I am actually fan of Japanese version for almost a decade
Grew up on German dub.

[Android 50]

It just sounds so boring and out of place and doesn't fit a lot of scenes for me

The operative words being "for me". Kikuchi gets the world he made the music for.

Most of Falconer's tracks fit the Z part of the series better than Kikuchi's. So I'd say he gets the world better than Kikuchi who seemed to still be stuck on making it sound like a 70s kung fu flick when they're fighting space aliens and androids.

[ABED]

It just sounds so boring and out of place and doesn't fit a lot of scenes for me

The operative words being "for me". Kikuchi gets the world he made the music for.

Most of Falconer's tracks fit the Z part of the series better than Kikuchi's. So I'd say he gets the world better than Kikuchi who seemed to still be stuck on making it sound like a 70s kung fu flick when they're fighting space aliens and androids.

Not really since he doesn't quite get the Toriyama's influences and humor. It's mostly just unsubtle "ACTION!" The Kung Fu action flicks are still evident influences and Z is not a radically different show than DB. Cyborgs and aliens (who all fight using martial arts) doesn't equal cheap synth.

[Dbzfan94]

It baffles me that some people in this thread are actually shocked that others prefer dubs, especially nowadays.
I've been loving Nozawa in Super, but to me Schemmel will always "be Goku's voice if that makes sense.

[Im insaneFromEarth]

It baffles me that some people in this thread are actually shocked that others prefer dubs, especially nowadays.
I've been loving Nozawa in Super, but to me Schemmel will always "be Goku's voice if that makes sense.

I can understand that, I really do enjoy Schemmel as Goku they did a perfect job by picking him. I also love Nozawa as Son Goku, but I have watched it with Schemmel as Goku more. And yes he will always be Son Goku to me as well

[Android 50]

The operative words being "for me". Kikuchi gets the world he made the music for.

Most of Falconer's tracks fit the Z part of the series better than Kikuchi's. So I'd say he gets the world better than Kikuchi who seemed to still be stuck on making it sound like a 70s kung fu flick when they're fighting space aliens and androids.

Not really since he doesn't quite get the Toriyama's influences and humor. It's mostly just unsubtle "ACTION!" The Kung Fu action flicks are still evident influences and Z is not a radically different show than DB. Cyborgs and aliens (who all fight using martial arts) doesn't equal cheap synth.

Meh Kikuchi score is very lacking when it comes to the big moments in Z though like theirs not even a new or unique track for when goku first goes super saiyan like there was in the funi dub. Just the same old kung fu music that overstayed its welcome. The characters fight at a different style and pace in Z than DB that the japanese score no longer suits.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Most of Falconer's tracks fit the Z part of the series better than Kikuchi's. So I'd say he gets the world better than Kikuchi who seemed to still be stuck on making it sound like a 70s kung fu flick when they're fighting space aliens and androids.

Not really since he doesn't quite get the Toriyama's influences and humor. It's mostly just unsubtle "ACTION!" The Kung Fu action flicks are still evident influences and Z is not a radically different show than DB. Cyborgs and aliens (who all fight using martial arts) doesn't equal cheap synth.

Meh Kikuchi score is very lacking when it comes to the big moments in Z though like theirs not even a new or unique track for when goku first goes super saiyan like there was in the funi dub. Just the same old kung fu music that overstayed its welcome. The characters fight at a different style and pace in Z than DB that the japanese score no longer suits.

I can pretty much call out what's wrong with both fairly easily.

Kikuchi has a classic orchestral style, which the newer generations aren't accustomed to. However, if we look at it objectively, Kikuchi's action themes are often redundant. People complain about the Kikuchi placement for DB Kai, but if we go back and watch, we can see stretches of episodes where they use the same, often unfitting track over and over and over... (this is most evident in the Android/Cell Arcs) Remember when that ominous organ theme was playing at totally inappropriate times?

However, the Faulconer Score is a whole different beast. I don't need to say quite as much about this one, but basically, it's very noisy. It's constant synthesized tracks playing for the whole episode, almost all of them action oriented (often times it isn't even an action-based scene). Faulconer Productions did make some good tracks, but the placement is the most meh thing I've ever heard in a cartoon, it's just constant noise.

[ABED]

Meh Kikuchi score is very lacking when it comes to the big moments in Z though like theirs not even a new or unique track for when goku first goes super saiyan like there was in the funi dub. Just the same old kung fu music that overstayed its welcome. The characters fight at a different style and pace in Z than DB that the japanese score no longer suits.

The score has similarities, but the themes change over time. Some are retired and there are new ones that take their place. The music when Goku first turns Super, Faulconer missed the entire point. Instead of "what's going on? What is happening to Goku?", his was "Isn't this awesome!?". The pace increased, but the show is still the show, and that pace increased well before DBZ.

Faulconer's is boring, synthetic, noisy, bland, and doesn't fit

[fadeddreams5]

Meh Kikuchi score is very lacking when it comes to the big moments in Z though like theirs not even a new or unique track for when goku first goes super saiyan like there was in the funi dub. Just the same old kung fu music that overstayed its welcome. The characters fight at a different style and pace in Z than DB that the japanese score no longer suits.

The score has similarities, but the themes change over time. Some are retired and there are new ones that take their place. The music when Goku first turns Super, Faulconer missed the entire point. Instead of "what's going on? What is happening to Goku?", his was "Isn't this awesome!?". The pace increased, but the show is still the show, and that pace increased well before DBZ.

Faulconer's is boring, synthetic, noisy, bland, and doesn't fit

Boring and bland are probably the last things I'd call Faulconer's theme, but that's me. I don't see how something that emphasizes action of all things can be deemed boring. Noisy and synthetic, definitely. The soundtrack never knew when to shut up, which is my issue with it.

I personally think Faulconer's SSJ theme conveyed all those things you mentioned as Goku is going SSJ. When he actually is a SSJ, then it emphasizes the "wooah, cool!" I find it fitting. But I also love the Japanese version, which catches the ominous side of it better.

[ekrolo2]

Am I the only guy likes every composer the shows every had? I think they all work/fit for different reasons and honestly I find "x guys score is a national treasure mentality!" really, really annoying.

[ABED]

I don't see how something that emphasizes action of all things can be deemed boring.

Action doesn't necessarily make it interesting, and emphasizing it doesn't make it interesting either. It's the execution that's the problem. I find his music unmemorable (with few exceptions) at best and off putting at worst. It's one of my big issues with the dub and why I haven't seen it in years and will never watch it again, the Z dub I mean.

Goku turning Super Saiyan should've been an ominous moment, but I don't get that at all from Faulconer's score.

For those that find Nozawa's voice off putting, I don't get why. Is it simply because it goes against what you expect?

[Android 50]

Meh Kikuchi score is very lacking when it comes to the big moments in Z though like theirs not even a new or unique track for when goku first goes super saiyan like there was in the funi dub. Just the same old kung fu music that overstayed its welcome. The characters fight at a different style and pace in Z than DB that the japanese score no longer suits.

The score has similarities, but the themes change over time. Some are retired and there are new ones that take their place. The music when Goku first turns Super, Faulconer missed the entire point. Instead of "what's going on? What is happening to Goku?", his was "Isn't this awesome!?". The pace increased, but the show is still the show, and that pace increased well before DBZ.

Faulconer's is boring, synthetic, noisy, bland, and doesn't fit

"what's going on, what's happening to Goku??" I got all of that from Faulconer's track when Goku first goes Super Saiyan meanwhile with the japanese version it felt underwhelming in comparison due to the forgettable music playing during the scene.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Meh Kikuchi score is very lacking when it comes to the big moments in Z though like theirs not even a new or unique track for when goku first goes super saiyan like there was in the funi dub. Just the same old kung fu music that overstayed its welcome. The characters fight at a different style and pace in Z than DB that the japanese score no longer suits.

The score has similarities, but the themes change over time. Some are retired and there are new ones that take their place. The music when Goku first turns Super, Faulconer missed the entire point. Instead of "what's going on? What is happening to Goku?", his was "Isn't this awesome!?". The pace increased, but the show is still the show, and that pace increased well before DBZ.

Faulconer's is boring, synthetic, noisy, bland, and doesn't fit

"what's going on, what's happening to Goku??" I got all of that from Faulconer's track when Goku first goes Super Saiyan meanwhile with the japanese version felt underwhelming in comparison due to the forgettable music playing during the scene.

Are you sure that you actually watched it with the Kikuchi track? I'd say that was memorable for the vast, vast majority of us. Meanwhile, the synthetic tracks of Faulconer (with few exceptions) all bleed together for (once again) the vast majority of us.