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by coola » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:18 pm
Scarz wrote:Surprisingly, I have bigger issues with with Vegetto's character than I have with Bra. There's more Vegeta in him than Goku. There's no balance or nice hints of Goku that's shown often. Maybe in a few gag panels here and there, but that's about it.
I think Vegeta part dominate in Vegetto, while Gogeta is more Goku like

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by Marco Polo » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:05 pm
coola wrote:Scarz wrote:Surprisingly, I have bigger issues with with Vegetto's character than I have with Bra. There's more Vegeta in him than Goku. There's no balance or nice hints of Goku that's shown often. Maybe in a few gag panels here and there, but that's about it.
I think Vegeta part dominate in Vegetto, while Gogeta is more Goku like

Agreed. I always thought it was like that when I watched the original series and Fusion Reborn. Gogeta was basically just Goku with a new form.
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by Neo-Makaiōshin » Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:13 pm
coola wrote:
I think Vegeta part dominate in Vegetto, while Gogeta is more Goku like

The only instance of Goku character being the dominant traid of Gogeta is when the later goes SS4 in GT otherwise he has Vegeta "seriousness" as shown when after fusing Gogeta inmediately charges, doea a few hits a goes straight to the finishing blow using the
Soul Punisher. Vegetto in the anime (he has very little time in the manga show it) shows more Goku traits than Vegeta ones, as we can see him playing more with his opponent (Bu) rather than getting the job done as fast as possible
Dragon Ball was always a kid series and fans should stop being in denial.
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by Jinzoningen MULE » Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:17 pm
Marco Polo wrote:coola wrote:Scarz wrote:Surprisingly, I have bigger issues with with Vegetto's character than I have with Bra. There's more Vegeta in him than Goku. There's no balance or nice hints of Goku that's shown often. Maybe in a few gag panels here and there, but that's about it.
I think Vegeta part dominate in Vegetto, while Gogeta is more Goku like

Agreed. I always thought it was like that when I watched the original series and Fusion Reborn. Gogeta was basically just Goku with a new form.
You can think that, but it's never shown to be the case. Gogeta has never been shown with any personality at all, and in the original manga, Vegetto didn't have much personality either.
This fan manga has pretty much written Vegetto as an entirely different character.
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by Marco Polo » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:16 pm
Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:otherwise he has Vegeta "seriousness" as shown when after fusing Gogeta inmediately charges, doea a few hits a goes straight to the finishing blow using the Soul Punisher.
That's Toei Goku right there.
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by miguelnuva1 » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:33 pm
I kinda see why Bra acts the way she does now. Vegito is the parent and he's acting as childish as Bra is.
As for who favors who, Vegito and Gogeta always acted the same to me just that Gogeta was more extreme with his playfulness.
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by FoolsGil » Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:52 pm
Frankly, Vegetto as well as Gogeta shouldn't be Goku dominant or Vegeta dominant. They should be a perfect amalgamation of both. When things happen, Vegetto should say or do things based on what Goku and Vegeta say or do, and in some cases where they conflict, Goku would shine. In others, Vegeta would shine.
Instead we get very disturbing mood-swings. Temper Tantrums should almost never happen. I don't like how Vegetto is written
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by jjgp1112 » Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:25 pm
I think the intention was that being a combo of two full blooded Saiyans causes violent mood swings and unbalanced emotions. Which is why he seems to go so nuts over having nobody in the universe who rivals him.
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by FoolsGil » Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:55 pm
jjgp1112 wrote:I think the intention was that being a combo of two full blooded Saiyans causes violent mood swings and unbalanced emotions. Which is why he seems to go so nuts over having nobody in the universe who rivals him.
Well yes I get the reasoning, But Goku is still within him. Goku who at least before Super had no problem retiring to be a radish farmer for 10 years before he met Uub. And he has Vegeta too-When Goku was dead for seven years he didn't go insane, he spent the next seven years training alone because that's what Vegeta does. Vegetto isn't a blank slate, he has the minds, memories and emotions of the two Saiyans, and double fullbloodedness aside, his angst should be tempered and restrained by the people he once was.
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by HeroR » Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:21 am
FoolsGil wrote:Frankly, Vegetto as well as Gogeta shouldn't be Goku dominant or Vegeta dominant. They should be a perfect amalgamation of both. When things happen, Vegetto should say or do things based on what Goku and Vegeta say or do, and in some cases where they conflict, Goku would shine. In others, Vegeta would shine.
Instead we get very disturbing mood-swings. Temper Tantrums should almost never happen. I don't like how Vegetto is written
Fusions usually have a dominated personality. Gotenks is more Trunks than Goten, and the Supreme Kais are the main personality with anyone they fuse with. Vegatto in the anime was a bit more Goku given his playful personality, even if it was all to piss Buu off. Gogeta wasn't around long enough to know what his personality was, and GT Gogeta was obviously just Vegetto in a different skin.
Also, Goku wasn't content as a radish farmer even before Super. In EOZ, he was still training. It was only in the 2008 special that we see Goku farming and Chi-Chi forced him.
Kanassa wrote:precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
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by Jinzoningen MULE » Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:30 am
HeroR wrote:FoolsGil wrote:Frankly, Vegetto as well as Gogeta shouldn't be Goku dominant or Vegeta dominant. They should be a perfect amalgamation of both. When things happen, Vegetto should say or do things based on what Goku and Vegeta say or do, and in some cases where they conflict, Goku would shine. In others, Vegeta would shine.
Instead we get very disturbing mood-swings. Temper Tantrums should almost never happen. I don't like how Vegetto is written
Fusions usually have a dominated personality. Gotenks is more Trunks than Goten, and the Supreme Kais are the main personality with anyone they fuse with. Vegatto in the anime was a bit more Goku given his playful personality, even if it was all to piss Buu off. Gogeta wasn't around long enough to know what his personality was, and GT Gogeta was obviously just Vegetto in a different skin.
Also, Goku wasn't content as a radish farmer even before Super. In EOZ, he was still training. It was only in the 2008 special that we see Goku farming and Chi-Chi forced him.
Having a more noticeable trait being expressed doesn't necessarily make it dominant.
For example, Trunks' arrogance is more memorable than Goten's whininess, but they're both equally present in Gotenks. In the case of Kibito-Kaioshin, both were different kinds of uptight before, but together, they're... just more uptight.
There's never been a fusion that was noticeably dominated by one party, the closest it's ever even come was Kibito-Kaioshin keeping the original Kaioshin's voice (although in the Japanese, he was using a lower pitch, similar to the Ocean Dub's Vegetto, so that hardly even counts).
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by Zephyr » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:37 am
jjgp1112 wrote:I think the intention was that being a combo of two full blooded Saiyans causes violent mood swings and unbalanced emotions. Which is why he seems to go so nuts over having nobody in the universe who rivals him.
I feel like at that point, it'd make more sense for Vegetto to scour the stars for powerful races to breed with, to create more powerful hybrids, and then training them in the RoSaT.
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by Jinzoningen MULE » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:41 am
Zephyr wrote:jjgp1112 wrote:I think the intention was that being a combo of two full blooded Saiyans causes violent mood swings and unbalanced emotions. Which is why he seems to go so nuts over having nobody in the universe who rivals him.
I feel like at that point, it'd make more sense for Vegetto to scour the stars for powerful races to breed with, to create more powerful hybrids, and then training them in the RoSaT.
That's in no one's best interest. It would be neat to see how it'd turn out though.
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by Zephyr » Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:28 am
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:That's in no one's best interest
It'd be in his at the very least.
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by miguelnuva1 » Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:35 am
The fusions all show combinations attitudes. Gogeta and Vegito have Goku's playfulness plus Vegeta's taunting. Vegito does to Buu what Vegeta was doing to 19 only in a way similar to how Goku would do it.
Same with GT Gogeta.
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by HeroR » Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:28 am
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Having a more noticeable trait being expressed doesn't necessarily make it dominant.
For example, Trunks' arrogance is more memorable than Goten's whininess, but they're both equally present in Gotenks. In the case of Kibito-Kaioshin, both were different kinds of uptight before, but together, they're... just more uptight.
There's never been a fusion that was noticeably dominated by one party, the closest it's ever even come was Kibito-Kaioshin keeping the original Kaioshin's voice (although in the Japanese, he was using a lower pitch, similar to the Ocean Dub's Vegetto, so that hardly even counts).
And what about Old Kai. What traits of the witch did he take?
Also, the Supreme Kai was clearly dominated over Kibito to the point that you could forget he existed.
Gotenks has far more Trunks than Goten, given that Goten isn't whiny. Goten has Goku's innocent and is playful (something Gotenks does have), but there is nothing whiny about Goten.
Vegetto was the only fusion that was more even handed, and he leans more towards Goku given his playful nature in the anime.
Kanassa wrote:precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
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by miguelnuva1 » Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:54 am
HeroR wrote:Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Having a more noticeable trait being expressed doesn't necessarily make it dominant.
For example, Trunks' arrogance is more memorable than Goten's whininess, but they're both equally present in Gotenks. In the case of Kibito-Kaioshin, both were different kinds of uptight before, but together, they're... just more uptight.
There's never been a fusion that was noticeably dominated by one party, the closest it's ever even come was Kibito-Kaioshin keeping the original Kaioshin's voice (although in the Japanese, he was using a lower pitch, similar to the Ocean Dub's Vegetto, so that hardly even counts).
And what about Old Kai. What traits of the witch did he take?
Also, the Supreme Kai was clearly dominated over Kibito to the point that you could forget he existed.
Gotenks has far more Trunks than Goten, given that Goten isn't whiny. Goten has Goku's innocent and is playful (something Gotenks does have), but there is nothing whiny about Goten.
Vegetto was the only fusion that was more even handed, and he leans more towards Goku given his playful nature in the anime.
Old Kai's potential unlock came from the witch and Gotenks has Goten's playfulness plus Trunks's attitude.
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by HeroR » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:16 am
miguelnuva1 wrote:
Old Kai's potential unlock came from the witch and Gotenks has Goten's playfulness plus Trunks's attitude.
I was talking about personality traits with Old Kai. And Gotenks' playfulness is more mean-spirited and cocky, which matches closer to Trunks.
Kanassa wrote:precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
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by Jinzoningen MULE » Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:03 am
HeroR wrote:Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Having a more noticeable trait being expressed doesn't necessarily make it dominant.
For example, Trunks' arrogance is more memorable than Goten's whininess, but they're both equally present in Gotenks. In the case of Kibito-Kaioshin, both were different kinds of uptight before, but together, they're... just more uptight.
There's never been a fusion that was noticeably dominated by one party, the closest it's ever even come was Kibito-Kaioshin keeping the original Kaioshin's voice (although in the Japanese, he was using a lower pitch, similar to the Ocean Dub's Vegetto, so that hardly even counts).
And what about Old Kai. What traits of the witch did he take?
Also, the Supreme Kai was clearly dominated over Kibito to the point that you could forget he existed.
Gotenks has far more Trunks than Goten, given that Goten isn't whiny. Goten has Goku's innocent and is playful (something Gotenks does have), but there is nothing whiny about Goten.
Vegetto was the only fusion that was more even handed, and he leans more towards Goku given his playful nature in the anime.
No, you're talking about noticeable traits.
Old Kai? That guy we know literally nothing about before he fused? Yeah, that's the worst possible example you could have given.
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by HeroR » Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:48 am
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
No, you're talking about noticeable traits.
Old Kai? That guy we know literally nothing about before he fused? Yeah, that's the worst possible example you could have given.
What else would I be talking about?
Kanassa wrote:precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.