Zamasu's logic is bullshit

[DBZAOTA482]

His reasoning for starting shit was because Trunks dared to alter history even though what he did was preventing history from being ruined by the bad humans. Doesn't he realize if it wasn't for Trunks the whole universe would've eventually gone to shit because Cell would cause terror with nobody to possibly warn the others about him?

Not only that but he makes Trunks out to be the bad guy for how the Earth turned out when he was the one causing chaos in the FIRST FUCKING PLACE!!!

GODDAMN I WANT SOMEONE TO BEAT THE SHIT OUTTA ZAMASU SLOWLY TILL HE DIES!!!! HE MAKES MY BRAIN HURT!!!!

[KinguKurimuzon]

His reasoning for starting shit was because Trunks dared to alter history even though what he did was preventing history from being ruined by the bad humans. Doesn't he realize if it wasn't for Trunks the whole universe would've eventually gone to shit because Cell would cause terror with nobody to possibly warn the others about him?!

What does Zamasu care if Cell blew up a few planets inhabited by those damn dirty ningen? Assuming Cell even made it past the Milky Way, Beerus or Whis would just obliterate him from existence if they even gave a shit about what was going on in the mortal world.

[Zephyr]

Bad guy in Dragon Ball has reasoning which distinctly lacks humility, news at 11.

[SaiyanZ]

He's literally a walking contradiction. He says he hates mortals yet becomes the thing he hates by stealing Goku's body. He says he kills mortals as the duty of the gods, yet he kills those same gods. Terrible character. I have no idea why he decided on the future to execute his plan either, one would think that watching Trunks's future would allow one to see the good in people as they work together to rebuild the world.

[Sonicjamareiz]

Honestly he's just a horrible character Baby is better in my opinion.

Bad guy in Dragon Ball has reasoning which distinctly lacks humility, news at 11.

What do you mean by that?

[Miracles]

Zamasu's whole reasoning of zero mortals plan is based on the arrogance of humans transgressing laws.
They take everything the god's has given them and pervert it for their own evil agendas.
Trunks had no business doing such things and now the time ring was created and this is what gives Zamasu the avenue to commit such a task.

[jjgp1112]

He's literally a walking contradiction. He says he hates mortals yet becomes the thing he hates by stealing Goku's body. He says he kills mortals as the duty of the gods, yet he kills those same gods. Terrible character. I have no idea why he decided on the future to execute his plan either, one would think that watching Trunks's future would allow one to see the good in people as they work together to rebuild the world.

So he's a terrible character because he's a hypocritical jackass, as an evil villain is wont to be? That's strange logic

I mean, that's what makes a large chunk of great villains - sound logic behind their motivations that immediately fall apart once their actions are held to scrutiny. Vegeta precisely pointed this out about him last episode but we didn't even need that to already figure it out. This is a weird thread.

[ParkerAL]

A character being delusional, illogical, hypocritical, and self righteous does not make him or her a bad character. I agree Zamas's reasoning could have been explained better (what's the point of having a beautiful universe without anyone to observe and appreciate it?) and the whole "character thinks humans are evil/foolish is kind of a cliche in anime, but I do think Zamas has been an enjoyable character so far.

[Fionordequester]

DBZAOTA, those kinds of character traits are making you angry. You want this guy dead, right? Isn't that how you should be feeling about a bad guy?

[SSJ YUSUKE]

Zamasu is a God, he doesn't subscribe to mortal logic. Altering history is a "sin" the Dragonball world, therefore Zamasu is "justified" punishing mortals.
Think about the Gods of Greek and Roman mythology, they are not good or evil, rather they are forces of nature who punish humans for not respecting their divinity. In the old Testament God wipes out humanity for not obeying him. So I don't see whats illogical about Zamasu's behavior, he is a God, mortals have been "wicked" therefore he chooses to wipe them out, especially Trunks who committed the gravest "sin" of all.

[Yomi]

Being an hypocritical narcissist doesn't necessarily make you a bad character. It just means he's ideologically flawed (which makes him a villain.)
Also, Zamasu's thinks that Humans don't deserve knowledge, because that's the source of evil. Trunks wasn't Zamasu's sole trigger, Gowasu played a
big role in convincing Zamasu. This is why I don't think Zamasu's hypocritical for killing gods. He disagree's with the gods that think "watching over them" is the only
action they should take and punishment is unjustified.

The whole "killing gods" thing isn't really that great a point either, since Vegeta brings that up. So the series is self aware of what's going on.

[Nejishiki]

I have no idea why he decided on the future to execute his plan either, one would think that watching Trunks's future would allow one to see the good in people as they work together to rebuild the world.

He wouldn't be able to get away with the plan in his own era. That's the main motivation for teaming up with somebody else in a world without Beerus. Whether humanity is good or not is irrelevant at this point. He's too far gone in his goals. That's assuming he cared to be proven wrong in the first place. It seems he had his heart set on 0 Humans and would take any trigger to further justify his ends.

What do you mean by that?

It's an expression conveying breaking news will be covered by the evening anchors. Usually, such as this case, it has a sarcastic tone because the story isn't newsworthy. Tuning in for the information would be a waste of time because it's common knowledge.

[Nekis13]

DBZAOTA, those kinds of character traits are making you angry. You want this guy dead, right? Isn't that how you should be feeling about a bad guy?

If you hate a character you're supposed to hate, you know they're doing something right

[Freeza9000]

one would think that watching Trunks's future would allow one to see the good in people as they work together to rebuild the world.

If anything, the future of Trunks's world is literally the epitome of what's wrong with mortals. There's an evil mad scientist out there trying to build androids to try to kill Goku and turns out that the androids have destroyed a great amount of the Earth's people. Now I know that there's been no threat since Trunks killed the androids, but who knows if there's going to be another threat out there just as bad as that.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

He didn't start all this because of Trunks he was messing with his mind by saying technically this is all his fault.

This whole thing was hinged on the fact that Zamasu fought Goku and got creamed and so he is trying to justify doing what he is doing.

Had Goku stayed dead in the Buu arc then none of this would have happened regardless of Trunks interfering. Trunks was ONE of the reasons not THE reason.

[DragonBallFoodie]

Of course it is. He's a hypocrite, and I hope he gets a painful and humiliating defeat.

[HeroR]

I have no idea why he decided on the future to execute his plan either, one would think that watching Trunks's future would allow one to see the good in people as they work together to rebuild the world.

He wouldn't be able to get away with the plan in his own era. That's the main motivation for teaming up with somebody else in a world without Beerus. Whether humanity is good or not is irrelevant at this point. He's too far gone in his goals. That's assuming he cared to be proven wrong in the first place. It seems he had his heart set on 0 Humans and would take any trigger to further justify his ends.

What do you mean by that?

It's an expression conveying breaking news will be covered by the evening anchors. Usually, such as this case, it has a sarcastic tone because the story isn't newsworthy. Tuning in for the information would be a waste of time because it's common knowledge.

Him looking for a timeline without Beerus is only in the manga. Black said in the anime that he chose Trunks' timeline because he was mad at the Earthlings for daring to build a time machine and break the taboo on time travel.

[Steven Bloodriver]

His reasoning for starting shit was because Trunks dared to alter history even though what he did was preventing history from being ruined by the bad humans. Doesn't he realize if it wasn't for Trunks the whole universe would've eventually gone to shit because Cell would cause terror with nobody to possibly warn the others about him?

Not only that but he makes Trunks out to be the bad guy for how the Earth turned out when he was the one causing chaos in the FIRST FUCKING PLACE!!!

GODDAMN I WANT SOMEONE TO BEAT THE SHIT OUTTA ZAMASU SLOWLY TILL HE DIES!!!! HE MAKES MY BRAIN HURT!!!!

Again... Since Dragon Ball Super is going to milk both Goku Black and Future Zamasu for several more months, for those of you who would like to see both snide assholes die by the hands of an Earthling, then go check out this parallel world of Dragon Ball Z in where the villains die very, very brutally. With a certain Majin being responsible.

[spoiler]http://dragonballfanon.wikia.com/wiki/U ... Must_Read![/spoiler]

P. S. Which canon of Dragon Ball would be the perfect place to live?

[Lord Beerus]

The fact that Zamasu's logic has gotten you so riled up, that you want him to suffer a slow and painful death, just goes to show how much of a great villain he is. Zamasu's character was intentionally written around having this warped logic to make he seem all the more of a despicable and delusional bastard with an insanely inflated sense of grandeur and superiority, while being blind to his own hypocrisy. This is supposed to make to feel angry. And the show has succeeded at doing that judging from your post.

[SaiyanZ]

He's literally a walking contradiction. He says he hates mortals yet becomes the thing he hates by stealing Goku's body. He says he kills mortals as the duty of the gods, yet he kills those same gods. Terrible character. I have no idea why he decided on the future to execute his plan either, one would think that watching Trunks's future would allow one to see the good in people as they work together to rebuild the world.

So he's a terrible character because he's a hypocritical jackass, as an evil villain is wont to be? That's strange logic

I mean, that's what makes a large chunk of great villains - sound logic behind their motivations that immediately fall apart once their actions are held to scrutiny. Vegeta precisely pointed this out about him last episode but we didn't even need that to already figure it out. This is a weird thread.

Hypocrisy is fine, but it only works when the person becomes aware of it, either through self evaluation or because someone else makes them face it. How they react to it once they realize is important too, and I also think it only works in one more way, when it is intentionally the point of their character. I don't see hypocrisy as the point of Zamasu's character, I see extremism as it, like Sensui from Yu Yu Hakusho or Akainu from One Piece. The main problem with hypocrisy in regards to Zamasu (at least how it appears to me) is that how he's contradicting himself is pretty plain as day and he doesn't get it. I don't think anyone who hated mortals would become one, its just too obvious (for better lack of term) a contradiction, it makes Zamasu look like an idiot rather than making the writing look good (all in my opinion at least). It's like Guts from Berserk becoming an apostle to get revenge on Femto.

Black said in the anime that he chose Trunks' timeline because he was mad at the Earthlings for daring to build a time machine and break the taboo on time travel.

And this is another reason why I think he's terrible, this is honestly such an awful reason to kill humanity imo

If anything, the future of Trunks's world is literally the epitome of what's wrong with mortals. There's an evil mad scientist out there trying to build androids to try to kill Goku and turns out that the androids have destroyed a great amount of the Earth's people. Now I know that there's been no threat since Trunks killed the androids, but who knows if there's going to be another threat out there just as bad as that.

One evil mad scientist doesn't mean that every other mortal is the same. Nor does Zamasu even know about Gero.