rereboy wrote:I've just given you an explanation that makes sense, one that has existed in the fandom for a long time to explain how Goten and Trunks are so strong in the Buu saga, and the one that DBM seems to use: a stronger saiyan has a better change of producing a stronger/higher potential offspring. Therefore, Bra should be that strong considering how strong Vegetto is.
Goten and Trunks were horribly written JUST like Bra is in DBM.
Toriyama only making Goten and Trunks SSJ without any proper training like Gohan did in the RoSAT was just an ass pull because the entire Boo arc was just rushed to the point that Toriyama just wanted to end it all. And that makes no sense. Just because both Goku and Vegeta were strong when Trunks and Goten were conceived somehow made them into Super Saiyans? Vegeta wasn't even a Super Saiyan by the time he and Bulma conceived Trunks. Goten, ok, I'll give you that even though that's still a shit reasoning but that shouldn't apply to Trunks. At that point it was basically as Vegeta said, a bargain sale for Super Saiyans because that's what it was.
Not really, you just looked at how things work in another completely different manga like it had any kind of influence on how things work in Dragon Ball. It's the equivalent of me looking at Toriko and realizing that eating rare foodstuff makes you strong and that most of the fighters are possessed by gourmet demons, and thus that should have a part of have any kind of influence in Dragon Ball or DBM.
It's common sense that the same rule doesn't only apply to Naruto but to other manga/books/television shows as well. Hell some children even HATE when others around them have expectations of their powers/talents because of who their parents are and I'd have to honestly agree with them.
You want to say that we're blindly bashing on Bra (even though some of us clearly aren't), well some of you lot who support Bra are blindly supporting her and just using the poor we "hate on Bra just cause" argument against us.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
ryou766 wrote:I never understood this reason. It shouldn't matter who your parents are, it doesn't define your strengths aside from you being a Saiyan. Manga like Naruto actually specified this.
Just because it doesn't in Naruto doesn't mean it doesn't in Dragon Ball, at least in Multiverse.
ryou766 wrote:I never understood this reason. It shouldn't matter who your parents are, it doesn't define your strengths aside from you being a Saiyan. Manga like Naruto actually specified this.
Just because it doesn't in Naruto doesn't mean it doesn't in Dragon Ball, at least in Multiverse.
ryou766 wrote:I just responded to this argument, read above.
Yeah, I know, but that doesn't counter the argument. Only someone in Dragon Ball and certain other manga/anime can get many several times stronger by just training. You wouldn't apply that to a casual anime when a character happens to want to train for a fight. But before you try to counter this as well, also remember that Vegetto has probably been training Bra very intensely for essentially her entire life. So she obviously is going to be pre~etty strong.
ryou766 wrote:I just responded to this argument, read above.
Yeah, I know, but that doesn't counter the argument. Only someone in Dragon Ball and certain other manga/anime can get many several times stronger by just training. You wouldn't apply that to a casual anime when a character happens to want to train for a fight. But before you try to counter this as well, also remember that Vegetto has probably been training Bra very intensely for essentially her entire life. So she obviously is going to be pre~etty strong.
You just completely missed my entire point. I already said that if she attained some power and somehow tapped into her hidden potential because of training, then I would have no problem with it. MY issue is that she's THIS strong because of who her PARENTS are! That should not be the case. You just completely contradicted yourself from your old post - you said she's mainly strong because she's the daughter of Vegetto - Yeah, who cares? That shouldn't define her strength.
ryou766 wrote:You just completely contradicted yourself from your old post - you said she's mainly strong because she's the daughter of Vegetto - Yeah, who cares? That shouldn't define her strength.
Why? She's the daughter of Vegetto. Of course she's going to be strong. She's probably been training her whole life.
This is what I wrote. My point is with how strong Vegetto is (and who he is), he's expected to train Bra as hard as he can. If she's been training her whole life, that should be enough to conclude that she's been pushed far beyond what many others are capable of. Do you see what I'm saying now?
Anime Kitten wrote:This is what I wrote. My point is with how strong Vegetto is (and who he is), he's expected to train Bra as hard as he can. If she's been training her whole life, that should be enough to conclude that she's been pushed far beyond what many others are capable of. Do you see what I'm saying now?
You said, "She's the daughter of Vegetto, OF COURSE she's going to be strong." What kind of argument is that? That shouldn't matter. Yes, it'd make sense that she would be strong if she willingly TRAINED with Vegetto, but just because that's her father? No. You need to word what you say more properly so that others could get a better interpretation of what you're trying to say.
ryou766 wrote:You said, "She's the daughter of Vegetto, OF COURSE she's going to be strong." What kind of argument is that? That shouldn't matter. Yes, it'd make sense that she would be strong if she willingly TRAINED with Vegetto, but just because that's her father? No.
You need to word what you say more properly so that others could get a better interpretation of what you're trying to say.
Because we know that both Goku and Vegeta will train nonstop, so a Fusion should be expected to want to train even more, as Vegetto has both Goku's and Vegeta's personalities within him, and he'd be even more motivated to get stronger because he already is strong, which is also from his original fusees.
ryou766 wrote:You said, "She's the daughter of Vegetto, OF COURSE she's going to be strong." What kind of argument is that? That shouldn't matter.
Why not? It is established in the series that hybrids have more potential than full-bloods, so for you to think that a hybrid of a fusion should not be so powerful is silly thinking.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
ryou766 wrote:You said, "She's the daughter of Vegetto, OF COURSE she's going to be strong." What kind of argument is that? That shouldn't matter.
Why not? It is estabilished in the series that hybrid have more potential than full-bloods so for you to think that a hybrid of a fusion should not be so powerful is silly thinking.
Don't tell me what I've already stated in earlier posts - I was the one to point that out for gods sake. Yes it'd make sense for Bra to have some hidden potential that'd surpass full blooded Saiyans, everyone and their mother knows that it's logical. But for her to have the feats that she does currently that surpasses anything we've seen of the hybrids in the series? Also, like I've said for the billionth time, it shouldn't matter who her parents are. That's just a bullshit reason to explain her ridiculous feats. It's not silly thinking, it's seeing past all the bull.
ryou766 wrote:Don't tell me what I've already stated in earlier posts - I was the one to point that out for gods sake. Yes it'd make sense for Bra to have some hidden potential that'd surpass full blooded Saiyans, everyone and their mother knows that it's logical. But for her to have the feats that she does currently that surpasses anything we've seen of the hybrids in the series? Also, like I've said for the billionth time, it shouldn't matter who her parents are. That's just a bullshit reason to explain her ridiculous feats. It's not silly thinking, it's seeing past all the bull.
Dude, relax, drink some water. You do have some valid points to argue about, but I think it's enough for a day
DBM has ridiculous things like Broly matching Vegetto (after having trained 20 years post Boo) power, a fusion of all namekians ending being stronger than Boo, Prince Vegeta to pull out SSJ2 and SSJ3 out of his ass, but Bra is the minor BS we had until now, I do agree she as a kid being strong as Gotenks is stupid, but whatever (can't wait for rereboy reply)
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Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
The whole "because she's Vegetto's daughter and that explains her feats" rebuttal infuriates me because it brings back the bad memories of Fairy Tail's "Because she's Erza" nonsense. It makes her character so lame and boring and above all else, annoying. I appreciate and like the idea that the author wanted to have a bad ass chick in the series and change from how she is in GT, but he honestly favors her too much and makes her character lack characterization. I haven't read DBM since that asspull ending of the Cold fight and from seeing these flashback panels, I'm glad I stopped.
Not sure how I feel about this...I mean, it seems like he's straight-up telling his readers that Bra's gonna stay the way she is, but...at least he's doing it in a joking way. Honestly, just the fact that he's acknowledging how we feel is enough to placate me slightly, even if I don't like it; but then, I used to not mind Bra's character. It wasn't until her fight with Cold that I ran out of excuses for her.
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".
He knows he can get away talking like that to us too. As much as we love and support the other webcomics around here, DBM has multi updates a week. What else are we going to read to get our fix that has 10+ years of updates?
FoolsGil wrote:He knows he can get away talking like that to us too. As much as we love and support the other webcomics around here, DBM has multi updates a week. What else are we going to read to get our fix that has 10+ years of updates?
Still, what an ass.
I KNOW! I mean, he's already got the Triforce! He's got immortality, wisdom, AND all of Link's awesome swag, so none of this was even justified! No need to bother with any of this "Revenge Death Ball" nonsense, just gather some Light Arrows, shoot em, and call it a day. Dude took the easy way out, that's what he did
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".
