Super Upcoming Arc Foreshadows the Demon Realm and Angels

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
HyugaProdigy
Newbie
Posts: 37
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:55 am

Re: Super Upcoming Arc Foreshadows the Demon Realm and Angels

Post by HyugaProdigy » Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:30 pm

Ozotto wrote:It could be foreshadowing, it may not be as well though.
Time will tell.

It's fun to speculate, and I really like these concepts and ideas.

It's possible we could get a "canon" version of Towa in Super.
I think Toriyama said he really liked the character and I think he designed them as well. (Don't quote me on that)

I wouldn't mind seeing a Super version or rendition of Towa, there's def a few things from Xenoverse and DBO I wish would stay there though...
So hopefully they make it their own thing in Super, if they do choose to use it.

I do kind of want them to stop with the whole time travel stuff though, I'm already over it with this whole Black arc.
Yes I also believe Towa and Mira is going to be a canon character but in their own right, I don;t see why they couldn't be include into the anime when we look at the factor of Towa and her brother Dabura can be easily expanded upon the demon realm, it will be nice touch to see. Video games characters tends to be implemented into anime like Pokemon for example

User avatar
Luke Groundwalker
Beyond-the-Beyond Newbie
Posts: 351
Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:20 am

Re: Super Upcoming Arc Foreshadows the Demon Realm and Angels

Post by Luke Groundwalker » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:00 pm

I don't think Mira will be in the series even if they introduce the Demon Realm, though I could see Towa being there. Mira is from the faaaar future but I could see a younger Towa playing a role if they go into the Demon Realm.

You could even kickstart it by Towa trying to get revenge on Boo for killing her brother or something like that.

Towa before her Time Breaker days could be interesting to explore, since technically we've already seen Dabura before he became a Time Breaker as well.

Lujin_16
Regular
Posts: 726
Joined: Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:18 pm

Re: Super Upcoming Arc Foreshadows the Demon Realm and Angels

Post by Lujin_16 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:10 pm

Maybe they will take an inspiration from Mira and Towa but with different designs

HeroR
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8306
Joined: Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:28 pm

Re: Super Upcoming Arc Foreshadows the Demon Realm and Angels

Post by HeroR » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:45 pm

HyugaProdigy wrote:
Ozotto wrote:It could be foreshadowing, it may not be as well though.
Time will tell.

It's fun to speculate, and I really like these concepts and ideas.

It's possible we could get a "canon" version of Towa in Super.
I think Toriyama said he really liked the character and I think he designed them as well. (Don't quote me on that)

I wouldn't mind seeing a Super version or rendition of Towa, there's def a few things from Xenoverse and DBO I wish would stay there though...
So hopefully they make it their own thing in Super, if they do choose to use it.

I do kind of want them to stop with the whole time travel stuff though, I'm already over it with this whole Black arc.
Yes I also believe Towa and Mira is going to be a canon character but in their own right, I don;t see why they couldn't be include into the anime when we look at the factor of Towa and her brother Dabura can be easily expanded upon the demon realm, it will be nice touch to see. Video games characters tends to be implemented into anime like Pokemon for example
That is because Pokemon is a game series that happens to have an anime. The main Pokemon produce are the games and the anime tries to somewhat follow the game. In Dragon Ball, the main produce is the manga/anime, not the games which are just supplements.
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

Kirby5413
Newbie
Posts: 9
Joined: Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:43 pm

Re: Super Upcoming Arc Foreshadows the Demon Realm and Angels

Post by Kirby5413 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:04 am

Luke Groundwalker wrote:I don't think Mira will be in the series even if they introduce the Demon Realm, though I could see Towa being there. Mira is from the faaaar future but I could see a younger Towa playing a role if they go into the Demon Realm.

You could even kickstart it by Towa trying to get revenge on Boo for killing her brother or something like that.

Towa before her Time Breaker days could be interesting to explore, since technically we've already seen Dabura before he became a Time Breaker as well.
In Mira's case, yeah he probably won't be introduced in Super, but Towa might be introduced into Super. She'll make an epic villain if she becomes canon, even more diabolical than Zamasu given that she is a Time Breaker.

Kirby5413
Newbie
Posts: 9
Joined: Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:43 pm

Re: Super Upcoming Arc Foreshadows the Demon Realm and Angels

Post by Kirby5413 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:14 am

Lujin_16 wrote:Maybe they will take an inspiration from Mira and Towa but with different designs
I wouldn't say that. Remember, Bardock was originally non-canon as he was just a filler character in a manga panel in DBZ. That being said Towa could be introduced in Super at some point, but not Mira though. :)

HeroR
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8306
Joined: Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:28 pm

Re: Super Upcoming Arc Foreshadows the Demon Realm and Angels

Post by HeroR » Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:17 am

Kirby5413 wrote:
Lujin_16 wrote:Maybe they will take an inspiration from Mira and Towa but with different designs
I wouldn't say that. Remember, Bardock was originally non-canon as he was just a filler character in a manga panel in DBZ. That being said Towa could be introduced in Super at some point, but not Mira though. :)
Bardock wouldn't be a 'filler' character if he appeared in the manga, which is what happened. Bardock had been 'canon' to Dragon Ball since the 90s. Even then, Toriyama used almost nothing from the TV Special when he wrote his own version of Bardock.
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

HyugaProdigy
Newbie
Posts: 37
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:55 am

Re: Super Upcoming Arc Foreshadows the Demon Realm and Angels

Post by HyugaProdigy » Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:11 am

HeroR wrote:
HyugaProdigy wrote:
Ozotto wrote:It could be foreshadowing, it may not be as well though.
Time will tell.

It's fun to speculate, and I really like these concepts and ideas.

It's possible we could get a "canon" version of Towa in Super.
I think Toriyama said he really liked the character and I think he designed them as well. (Don't quote me on that)

I wouldn't mind seeing a Super version or rendition of Towa, there's def a few things from Xenoverse and DBO I wish would stay there though...
So hopefully they make it their own thing in Super, if they do choose to use it.

I do kind of want them to stop with the whole time travel stuff though, I'm already over it with this whole Black arc.
Yes I also believe Towa and Mira is going to be a canon character but in their own right, I don;t see why they couldn't be include into the anime when we look at the factor of Towa and her brother Dabura can be easily expanded upon the demon realm, it will be nice touch to see. Video games characters tends to be implemented into anime like Pokemon for example
That is because Pokemon is a game series that happens to have an anime. The main Pokemon produce are the games and the anime tries to somewhat follow the game. In Dragon Ball, the main produce is the manga/anime, not the games which are just supplements.
Yes but Pokemon has the manga version of the game and there's no "ash ketchum" instead it's different MC who look "similar" but have different characterization . The anime went entirely different route as it's own continuity. Clearly its taken the concept of these characters from the manga/game and completely shifted as it's own version.

HyugaProdigy
Newbie
Posts: 37
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:55 am

Re: Super Upcoming Arc Foreshadows the Demon Realm and Angels

Post by HyugaProdigy » Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:18 am

Kirby5413 wrote:
Luke Groundwalker wrote:I don't think Mira will be in the series even if they introduce the Demon Realm, though I could see Towa being there. Mira is from the faaaar future but I could see a younger Towa playing a role if they go into the Demon Realm.

You could even kickstart it by Towa trying to get revenge on Boo for killing her brother or something like that.

Towa before her Time Breaker days could be interesting to explore, since technically we've already seen Dabura before he became a Time Breaker as well.
In Mira's case, yeah he probably won't be introduced in Super, but Towa might be introduced into Super. She'll make an epic villain if she becomes canon, even more diabolical than Zamasu given that she is a Time Breaker.
Or they could easily ignored the game where Mira was not created from the future but instead around the same time as present timeline, time patroller or not can be demonstrated differently compare to the game.

HeroR
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8306
Joined: Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:28 pm

Re: Super Upcoming Arc Foreshadows the Demon Realm and Angels

Post by HeroR » Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:23 am

HyugaProdigy wrote:
Yes but Pokemon has the manga version of the game and there's no "ash ketchum" instead it's different MC who look "similar" but have different characterization . The anime went entirely different route as it's own continuity. Clearly its taken the concept of these characters from the manga/game and completely shifted as it's own version.
The anime is still a supplement of the games, not the main product. The opposite is true of Dragon Ball. The Pokemon manga is also a supplement of the games aimed at an older audience. Also, Ash Ketchum is based on Red, the main character of the first game and of the manga.
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

HyugaProdigy
Newbie
Posts: 37
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:55 am

Re: Super Upcoming Arc Foreshadows the Demon Realm and Angels

Post by HyugaProdigy » Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:33 pm

HeroR wrote:
HyugaProdigy wrote:
Yes but Pokemon has the manga version of the game and there's no "ash ketchum" instead it's different MC who look "similar" but have different characterization . The anime went entirely different route as it's own continuity. Clearly its taken the concept of these characters from the manga/game and completely shifted as it's own version.
The anime is still a supplement of the games, not the main product. The opposite is true of Dragon Ball. The Pokemon manga is also a supplement of the games aimed at an older audience. Also, Ash Ketchum is based on Red, the main character of the first game and of the manga.
I still think the possibility of Towa is going to be in DBS due to being the top hit of the game industry, towa and mira made many reoccurance to the dragon ball online plus her brother is Dabura which can be easily explored through the anime.

Cipher
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 6409
Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:54 pm
Location: Nagano
Contact:

Re: Super Upcoming Arc Foreshadows the Demon Realm and Angels

Post by Cipher » Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:13 pm

Were Towa and Mira Toriyama characters? If he likes them and wants to bring them over or slightly re-imagine them, I wouldn't have an issue with it. The off-putting thing would be to feel like they're showing up simply for brand synergy or game-promotion.

I haven't played any of the games featuring them, but nothing about the idea strikes me as being inherently distasteful.

HyugaProdigy
Newbie
Posts: 37
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:55 am

Re: Super Upcoming Arc Foreshadows the Demon Realm and Angels

Post by HyugaProdigy » Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:08 am

Cipher wrote:Were Towa and Mira Toriyama characters? If he likes them and wants to bring them over or slightly re-imagine them, I wouldn't have an issue with it. The off-putting thing would be to feel like they're showing up simply for brand synergy or game-promotion.

I haven't played any of the games featuring them, but nothing about the idea strikes me as being inherently distasteful.
Towa and Mira were character designs overseen by Akira Toriyama himself for Dragon Ball Online. They are versatile characters as 1) They can act as central antagonist to Goku and company in God form 2) They have an arc which makes sense 3) You do not have to open the multi-universe flood gate to access them.

User avatar
MagmonKai
OMG CRAZY REGEN
Posts: 814
Joined: Fri Oct 07, 2016 5:32 pm

Re: Super Upcoming Arc Foreshadows the Demon Realm and Angels

Post by MagmonKai » Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:00 pm

The new Zamasu almost looks like a demon. You might be on to something here?

HyugaProdigy
Newbie
Posts: 37
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:55 am

Re: Super Upcoming Arc Foreshadows the Demon Realm and Angels

Post by HyugaProdigy » Sun Nov 06, 2016 2:35 am

MagmonKai wrote:The new Zamasu almost looks like a demon. You might be on to something here?
Yea from the way it played out, Merged Zamasu does demonstrated as a Demon Kai even though he wasn't born as Makiaoshin, from his ki, he was simply shrouded by the darkness although it has holy aura with the halo on top of it. Possibly a yin and yang which his heart was too pure. In 66 preview, merged Zamasu looks like he was deform now that could be the result of being malfunctioning by the potaru earring due to the fact that Goku Black doesn't follow the correct step to do fusion simpily because he was on Super Saiyan rose when he fused with Zamasu and we know Supreme Kai addressed that both have to be on base form to simply in sync.

Or perhaps Vegito was beating merged zamasu pretty badly to the point that his wound barely recovers at such short amount of time.

User avatar
DragonHermit
Regular
Posts: 585
Joined: Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:07 am

Re: Super Upcoming Arc Foreshadows the Demon Realm and Angels

Post by DragonHermit » Sun Nov 06, 2016 3:12 am

Yomi wrote: [spoiler]Image[/spoiler]
What a fucking awesome sadistic mofo villain. :clap: I would have had him as #1 villain in all of DB, but with Beerus/Omni King, the tension isn't there as much as it was with Vegeta and Frieza.

HyugaProdigy
Newbie
Posts: 37
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:55 am

Re: Super Upcoming Arc Foreshadows the Demon Realm and Angels

Post by HyugaProdigy » Sun Nov 06, 2016 3:25 am

DragonHermit wrote:
Yomi wrote: [spoiler]Image[/spoiler]
What a fucking awesome sadistic mofo villain. :clap: I would have had him as #1 villain in all of DB, but with Beerus/Omni King, the tension isn't there as much as it was with Vegeta and Frieza.
There is still tension because all of the god of destruction are gone in the future timeline plus Beerus or any of the god of destruction from present timeline are not allowed to go there so therefore the future timeline are essentially fucked especially the time machine are broken. ( Yes they can go back once the arc is finish)

Post Reply