The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[TheUltimateNinja]

In GT we don't know if the multipliers are the same as when Goku goes SSJ Rilldo tells him he wasn't using even half of his real power which would suggest SSJ is only a 2-3x multiplier rather 50x.

Yep.
Anyway, i believe the battle between SSjin4 Gogeta and SSjG Goku would be even, since Gogeta kicked away Omega's universal-busting Karma Ball like it was nothing, whereas SSjG Goku and Beerus's shockwaves were said to be Universal+ as well

I don't think that Karma ball was actually at that level since it was clearly much weaker than the Universal Spirit Bomb,

[Saiyan007]

Base Vegito(current) vs Hit
SSJ2 Vegito vs SSJ Blue Vegeta(Post ROSAT)

1.hmm going my anime logic Base Vegito wasn't too far from Buuhan so Base Vegito would probably beat Hut

2.Am I missing something here?A heavily supressed Beerus caused Goku to say fusion would have no chance against him that includes any form of Vegito.

Vegeta godstomps

[TheUltimateNinja]

Who's the strongest character Saiyan Saga SSBlue Vegeta can beat?

[Saiyan007]

Who's the strongest character Saiyan Saga SSBlue Vegeta can beat?

He casually beats everything in z he only loses to the Gods with ease

[TheUltimateNinja]

Who's the strongest character Saiyan Saga SSBlue Vegeta can beat?

He casually beats everything in z he only loses to the Gods with ease

By my numbers he gets jobbed by Namek Goku.

[DanielSSJ]

Android 17 and SSJ Future Trunks with sword VS SSJ Vegeta (power boosted by 5%), SSJ Goku, and Base Future Trunks (first appearance in main timeline; no sword)
[Vegeta and Goku are from Androids Saga; no heart virus]

The non-Super Saiyan Trunks is completely irrelevant here. I suppose if it was just Android No. 17 vs. Goku and Vegeta, the Super Saiyans might have a shot at winning, but with Trunks as backup, No. 17 wins without any problems.

Nobody ever experienced Vegetto's full power, so it would be accurate to say Super Baby Vegeta was the highest ki he ever felt even if Baby ended up weaker than Vegetto.

Not to mention that when characters make "this is the strongest Ki I've ever felt" statements, they're typically not counting themselves. Case in point, in Rebirth of Fusion!! Goku and Vegeta, Goku says that the fat Janemba has the greatest Ki he's ever felt, right before pummeling Janemba with Super Saiyan 3. And seeing as Goku was Vegetto at one point, he's probably not considering him when talking about Baby.

Base Vegito(current) vs Hit
SSJ2 Vegito vs SSJ Blue Vegeta(Post ROSAT)

Vegetto wins both rounds. Because Vegetto is awesome. In fact, I am convinced that he could've taken Zamasu without Super Saiyan Blue. He just wanted to show off.

Some fights:

- Freeza (true form, Resurrection F) vs. Ultimate Son Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks (Boo arc).
- Ginyu-Tagoma vs. Kibitoshin.
- Son Goku ("match level" and wearing weighted clothing, 23rd Budokai) vs. Krillin and Yamcha (23rd Budokai).
- Piccolo (Saiyan arc) vs. 6 of Freeza's goons on Namek (Raspberry, Appule, etc).

- Resurrection F power levels are a hotbed for controversy, but I can't imagine Freeza winning against both Gohan and Gotenks in their prime.
- The two are both on the low end of the Super Saiyan 2 tier, but I doubt that the inept Kaioshin would overcome Freeza's best soldier. Though I suppose Kaioshin could manage something with his psychic abilities.
- Despite the improvements made by Kuririn and Yamcha, Goku seemed to be on a whole nother level than them, seven with the weights. Heck, if you go by official numbers, Yamcha's not even a match for 22nd Budokai Goku.
- Outside of Dodoria, Zarbon, and the Ginyu Force, none of Freeza's goons were strong enough to handle those young Namekians, who were all probably about as powerful as Piccolo was when he fought Nappa. Not only that, but the Earthling fighters typically have a skill and technique advantage over the space-thug types that Freeza employs. Odds are Piccolo handles these goons about as easily as Kuririn killed those Saibaimen.

[Awesome_Gotenks]

In GT we don't know if the multipliers are the same as when Goku goes SSJ Rilldo tells him he wasn't using even half of his real power which would suggest SSJ is only a 2-3x multiplier rather 50x.

Yep.
Anyway, i believe the battle between SSjin4 Gogeta and SSjG Goku would be even, since Gogeta kicked away Omega's universal-busting Karma Ball like it was nothing, whereas SSjG Goku and Beerus's shockwaves were said to be Universal+ as well

I don't think that Karma ball was actually at that level since it was clearly much weaker than the Universal Spirit Bomb,

Well, Elder Kaioshin stated it was universal and Omega Shenron also said his power would lay destruction all over the universe. Not to mention Kibito Kai was panicking and saying they should get out of the Kaioshin Realm as soon as they could when he heard about what Omega Shenron's Negative Karma Ball was capable of, even though the Kaioshin Realm was literally billions of light years away from the Earth.

Also, if i remember correctly, Episode 62 of GT shows a simulation of the destruction caused by the Negative Karma Ball, and in the simulation they show the universe being destroyed in under a minute.

[Zamasu55]

Android 17 and SSJ Future Trunks with sword VS SSJ Vegeta (power boosted by 5%), SSJ Goku, and Base Future Trunks (first appearance in main timeline; no sword)
[Vegeta and Goku are from Androids Saga; no heart virus]

The non-Super Saiyan Trunks is completely irrelevant here. I suppose if it was just Android No. 17 vs. Goku and Vegeta, the Super Saiyans might have a shot at winning, but with Trunks as backup, No. 17 wins without any problems.

Nobody ever experienced Vegetto's full power, so it would be accurate to say Super Baby Vegeta was the highest ki he ever felt even if Baby ended up weaker than Vegetto.

Not to mention that when characters make "this is the strongest Ki I've ever felt" statements, they're typically not counting themselves. Case in point, in Rebirth of Fusion!! Goku and Vegeta, Goku says that the fat Janemba has the greatest Ki he's ever felt, right before pummeling Janemba with Super Saiyan 3. And seeing as Goku was Vegetto at one point, he's probably not considering him when talking about Baby.

Base Vegito(current) vs Hit
SSJ2 Vegito vs SSJ Blue Vegeta(Post ROSAT)

Vegetto wins both rounds. Because Vegetto is awesome. In fact, I am convinced that he could've taken Zamasu without Super Saiyan Blue. He just wanted to show off.

Some fights:

- Freeza (true form, Resurrection F) vs. Ultimate Son Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks (Boo arc).
- Ginyu-Tagoma vs. Kibitoshin.
- Son Goku ("match level" and wearing weighted clothing, 23rd Budokai) vs. Krillin and Yamcha (23rd Budokai).
- Piccolo (Saiyan arc) vs. 6 of Freeza's goons on Namek (Raspberry, Appule, etc).

- Resurrection F power levels are a hotbed for controversy, but I can't imagine Freeza winning against both Gohan and Gotenks in their prime.
- The two are both on the low end of the Super Saiyan 2 tier, but I doubt that the inept Kaioshin would overcome Freeza's best soldier. Though I suppose Kaioshin could manage something with his psychic abilities.
- Despite the improvements made by Kuririn and Yamcha, Goku seemed to be on a whole nother level than them, seven with the weights. Heck, if you go by official numbers, Yamcha's not even a match for 22nd Budokai Goku.
- Outside of Dodoria, Zarbon, and the Ginyu Force, none of Freeza's goons were strong enough to handle those young Namekians, who were all probably about as powerful as Piccolo was when he fought Nappa. Not only that, but the Earthling fighters typically have a skill and technique advantage over the space-thug types that Freeza employs. Odds are Piccolo handles these goons about as easily as Kuririn killed those Saibaimen.

Actually, I can't imagine both Gohan and Gotenks lasting more than 10 seconds.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Frieza was able to put up a fight against Goku who'd surpassed SSG, so Final Form Frieza's probably around SSJ3 Vegetto level at least.

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[Saiyan007]

Well, Elder Kaioshin stated it was universal and Omega Shenron also said his power would lay destruction all over the universe. Not to mention Kibito Kai was panicking and saying they should get out of the Kaioshin Realm as soon as they could when he heard about what Omega Shenron's Negative Karma Ball was capable of, even though the Kaioshin Realm was literally billions of light years away from the Earth.

Also, if i remember correctly, Episode 62 of GT shows a simulation of the destruction caused by the Negative Karma Ball, and in the simulation they show the universe being destroyed in under a minute.

Well that was a chain reaction(kinda like what Buuhan was doing in the anime) which isn't the same as brute force like what Beerus or Goku can do.

Not too mention you have Base Goku destroying Beerus attack in episode 14 which was more than enough energy to destroy the universe in one punch.

Thats not even counting SSGSS Goku or kaioken Goku either

[Roronoa-pt]

Blue Vegito & Zamasu Black vs Beerus
Genki Dama Trunks vs Beerus
Trunks' sword vs Zangetsu

Beerus at 100% should win this.
Beerus stomps. Spirit Trunks was only able to destroy a badly wounded Zamasu.
Pass.

[Awesome_Gotenks]

Well, Elder Kaioshin stated it was universal and Omega Shenron also said his power would lay destruction all over the universe. Not to mention Kibito Kai was panicking and saying they should get out of the Kaioshin Realm as soon as they could when he heard about what Omega Shenron's Negative Karma Ball was capable of, even though the Kaioshin Realm was literally billions of light years away from the Earth.

Also, if i remember correctly, Episode 62 of GT shows a simulation of the destruction caused by the Negative Karma Ball, and in the simulation they show the universe being destroyed in under a minute.

Well that was a chain reaction(kinda like what Buuhan was doing in the anime) which isn't the same as brute force like what Beerus or Goku can do.

Not too mention you have Base Goku destroying Beerus attack in episode 14 which was more than enough energy to destroy the universe in one punch.

Thats not even counting SSGSS Goku or kaioken Goku either

There is no such thing as "chain reaction" on DBZ in my opinion. If you have enough energy to destroy all the planets in the universe one by one, you have enough energy to destroy them in one blow.

[Zamasu55]

Frieza was able to put up a fight against Goku who'd surpassed SSG, so Final Form Frieza's probably around SSJ3 Vegetto level at least.

He's way more powerful than that. Ssj3 Vegito is nothing compared to SsjG.

[apex_pretador]

Blue Vegito & Zamasu Black vs Beerus
Genki Dama Trunks vs Beerus
Trunks' sword vs Zangetsu

Beerus solos all rounds, easily, while holding back.

SSjin4 Gogeta vs. SSjG Goku(Initial)

Too close to call

Base Vegito(current) vs Hit
SSJ2 Vegito vs SSJ Blue Vegeta(Post ROSAT)

Base vegetto?

Base goku / vegeta are slightly above buuhan. Even if they get a boost as big as they got in buu arc, they'd end up weaker than SSG Goku (initial). Since they don't possess the "rival" traits as strong as then anymore, they ended up weaker than buu arc, by far.


SS2 vegetto (current) turns out to be around SSB vegeta (pre ROSAT) level. Vegeta does possess a power advantage, but vegetto possesses a skill advantage, including IT and all techniques of vegeta.
Close enough but I'd back vegetto.

[Saiyan007]

There is no such thing as "chain reaction" on DBZ in my opinion. If you have enough energy to destroy all the planets in the universe one by one, you have enough energy to destroy them in one blow.

Destroying planets one by one in the universe is not the same as flat out nuking the universe

How did you even come to that conclusion?

[ssbgoku]

Blue Vegito & Zamasu Black vs Beerus
Genki Dama Trunks vs Beerus
Trunks' sword vs Zangetsu

Beerus at 100% should win this.
Beerus stomps. Spirit Trunks was only able to destroy a badly wounded Zamasu.
Pass.

Beerus get shitstomped and looses badly.
Beerus better run for his life, because Trunks nakama power is limitless so plot can make zeno his slave.
I pass

[The Monkey King]

SSJ Gary Stu Trunks vs Whis

[Lord Beerus]

SSJ Gary Stu Trunks vs Whis

Seriously?

I've never even heard of that term.

[Alruneia]

SSJ Gary Stu Trunks vs Whis

Seriously?

I've never even heard of that term.

A Gary Stu is just a male Mary Sue.
So he's referring to the Trunks in Episode 66 with the asspull Spirit Bomb ability and all.