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All the Hate

Post by Dragonball Black » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:05 pm

I for one love Dragonball Super, I think it sets out to give new and fresh stories to extend the Dragonball Universe and it Succeeds at many of its themes.
But I see, especially online that the show has gotten a lot of hate. Especially the newest episode, 66. Is Super good or bad? Whats the verdict?
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Re: All the Hate

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:16 pm

Hate and criticism are not the same thing. Lots of people have critiqued the latest episode. It did a lot wrong, so that's the natural outcome.
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Post by Dragonball Black » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:40 pm

I've seen outright hate for the episode, mainly because of the Vegito hour limit thing and Trunk's Spirit Bomb.
I think criticism is healthy, but many have condemned the show because of this last episode. I feel trying to fix past gaping holes in the show, Super does well. I do think that Vegito was literally only added for fan service. But I'm now glad that the strongest character in Super has a major time limit.
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Re: All the Hate

Post by Fishman » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:12 am

Dragonball Black wrote:I've seen outright hate for the episode, mainly because of the Vegito hour limit thing and Trunk's Spirit Bomb.
I think criticism is healthy, but many have condemned the show because of this last episode. I feel trying to fix past gaping holes in the show, Super does well. I do think that Vegito was literally only added for fan service. But I'm now glad that the strongest character in Super has a major time limit.
This is, what, the fourth thread in the last day or so that can be summed up as "fans of Super are really insecure when their show is being criticized loudly"? A lot of people have condemned the show for reasons that existed prior to episode 66. I have to wonder if anyone could actually be so turned off by EP66 that they'd disown Super without having thought the show was bad for any of the many dumb stuff they aired before that. Maybe this was just the tipping point for some fans?
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Re: All the Hate

Post by sintzu » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:30 am

Dragonball Black wrote:I see, especially online that the show has gotten a lot of hate. Especially the newest episode, 66. Is Super good or bad? Whats the verdict?
People don't hate it, they just hold DB to a high standard so they want Super to be the best it can.

I criticize Super all the time but I'll be the 1st one to say that I hope it reaches 200 episodes so I clearly don't hate but I'm not going to put my head in the sand when it's doing stupid things.
Fishman wrote:Maybe this was just the tipping point for some fans?
I doubt it, if someone has liked it till now then there's no way they're going to completely switch to hating it because of one episode this long into its run.
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Re: All the Hate

Post by Dbzk1999 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:16 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Hate and criticism are not the same thing. Lots of people have critiqued the latest episode. It did a lot wrong, so that's the natural outcome.
And lots of people have hated the episode to the point that some believe that it's the worst arc (or close to worst) in the franchise

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Re: All the Hate

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:17 am

Dbzk1999 wrote:
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Hate and criticism are not the same thing. Lots of people have critiqued the latest episode. It did a lot wrong, so that's the natural outcome.
And lots of people have hated the episode to the point that some believe that it's the worst arc (or close to worst) in the franchise
How do you define "hate"? I have a funny feeling that it's dead wrong.
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Re: All the Hate

Post by Dbzk1999 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:22 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Dbzk1999 wrote:
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Hate and criticism are not the same thing. Lots of people have critiqued the latest episode. It did a lot wrong, so that's the natural outcome.
And lots of people have hated the episode to the point that some believe that it's the worst arc (or close to worst) in the franchise
How do you define "hate"? I have a funny feeling that it's dead wrong.
-_- Oh give me a break, I define "hate" as saying nothing but, "This is the worst arc EVER!" with literally nothing else besides "this episode sucked"

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Re: All the Hate

Post by Dragonball Black » Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:26 am

I think that a lot of people have nostalgia glasses on and think that DBZ was nothing but rainbows and butterflys when it had a ton of problems. And this is coming from a DBZ fan boy!
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Re: All the Hate

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:26 am

Dbzk1999 wrote:
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Dbzk1999 wrote:
And lots of people have hated the episode to the point that some believe that it's the worst arc (or close to worst) in the franchise
How do you define "hate"? I have a funny feeling that it's dead wrong.
-_- Oh give me a break, I define "hate" as saying nothing but, "This is the worst arc EVER!" with literally nothing else besides "this episode sucked"
That's not hate, that's blind, angry condescension. Those comments come from trolls, children, or blind, omega idiots who never learned to think. They're so sub-human that their feelings don't deserve names. Even if it is something akin to hate, I refuse to accept their ranting as anything other than fodder for my block buttons.
Dragonball Black wrote:I think that a lot of people have nostalgia glasses on and think that DBZ was nothing but rainbows and butterflys when it had a ton of problems.
That's not really a problem on Kanzenshuu, we've been there and discussed that. Most of us realize Dragon Ball for the flawed piece that it is.
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Re: All the Hate

Post by fadeddreams5 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:16 am

Good, bad. It's all subjective. If I had to describe it, I'd say it's a average show and terrible sequel that still manages to entertain more than GT, somehow.

If I had to describe it in just one word, it'd probably be "inconsistent." Animation, characterization, power levels, tone, you name it. The show is all over the place, and everything feels rushed.
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Re: All the Hate

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:18 am

fadeddreams5 wrote:I'd say it's a mediocre show and terrible sequel that still manages to entertain more than GT, somehow.
It's only more entertaining than GT because it's new. Re-watching the show as it's released on Daisuki, it could not be more boring. That's including this arc, by the way.
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Re: All the Hate

Post by precita » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:56 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:I'd say it's a mediocre show and terrible sequel that still manages to entertain more than GT, somehow.
It's only more entertaining than GT because it's new. Re-watching the show as it's released on Daisuki, it could not be more boring. That's including this arc, by the way.
That's not true for me. I know I'll enjoy rewatching the Zamasu arc for years to come.

The Champa tournament was rather medicore until the Hit fight, but I do enjoy the inbetween "fillers/peacetime" episodes, and the Zamasu arc. I only hope Super continues to improve from here.

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Re: All the Hate

Post by Ki Breaker » Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:19 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:They're so sub-human that their feelings don't deserve names. Even if it is something akin to hate, I refuse to accept their ranting as anything other than fodder for my block buttons.
This is so harsh it's hilarious :lol:

Now onto the topic..
I am one of them who got upset over this episode's missed chances, in fact I was more than upset..
But that's only because I want this show to be the best it can be.. If it has the potential to surpass original why no do it!
As I calmed down and rewached the episode 3 times.. I am actually more than happy with the turn of events..

I am positive this episode will stop receiving hate if it is even getting any as people calm down..

Super is the continuation Dragonball deserved in my book.. it's great
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Re: All the Hate

Post by Lujin_16 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:33 am

it makes no sense to bitch about because of the the spirit bomb sword they will explain it in episode 67...Maybe episode 66 was dissapointed for many

because of vegetto but the epsidoe was great in animation,fights,soundtrack,ending

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Re: All the Hate

Post by sangofe » Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:39 am

Dragonball Black wrote:I for one love Dragonball Super, I think it sets out to give new and fresh stories to extend the Dragonball Universe and it Succeeds at many of its themes.
But I see, especially online that the show has gotten a lot of hate. Especially the newest episode, 66. Is Super good or bad? Whats the verdict?
I liked it in the start. After episode 66 I love it. Incredible last 10 episodes, except maybe one episode in between.

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Re: All the Hate

Post by sangofe » Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:43 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:I'd say it's a mediocre show and terrible sequel that still manages to entertain more than GT, somehow.
It's only more entertaining than GT because it's new. Re-watching the show as it's released on Daisuki, it could not be more boring. That's including this arc, by the way.
Do you rematch dbgt alongside too, then? I do that and can say that GT has more annoying faults to me...

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Re: All the Hate

Post by Lujin_16 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:48 am

Funny that mostly of the Dragonball facebook pages or Dragonball youtubers saying episode 66 was overall a great episode but in the comments you can see
some fans hating :lol:

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Re: All the Hate

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:28 am

I agree with the others it'll blow over soon enough. The Freeza movie got unrelenting hate for a while and that eventually stopped so will this.

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Re: All the Hate

Post by PsionicWarrior » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:02 am

Hello mate what hate are you on about i didn't witness any lol

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