Zamasu (and Black) is a parody on modern Shounen villain archetypes

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Zamasu (and Black) is a parody on modern Shounen villain archetypes

Post by Doctor. » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:29 pm

I'd say that, with how over-the-top Zamasu/Black is, how self-aware the show is about their pretentiousness, how nobody seems to take them seriously when they go on their rants, how nobody even tries to reason with the characters, Zamasu and Black really feel like a parody of modern Shounen villains. Like what would happen if you picked a random generic villain and dropped him in the DB universe.

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Post by fadeddreams5 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:41 pm

Doctor. wrote:I'd say that, with how over-the-top Zamasu/Black is, how self-aware the show is about their pretentiousness, how nobody seems to take them seriously when they go on their rants, how nobody even tries to reason with the characters, Zamasu and Black really feel like a parody of modern Shounen villains. Like what would happen if you picked a random generic villain and dropped him in the DB universe.
I've always compared them to Vaccine Man from One Punch Man.
https://youtu.be/69Pbn_CsZkE?t=2m14s

Really, Goku and Vegito do the same thing to Zamasu as Saitama does to Vaccine Man--punch him in the face in the middle of his speeches.
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Post by Ki Breaker » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:51 pm

An interesting theory..
Would also explain why trunks could pull all this.. it's all because of friendship..
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Post by Doctor. » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:54 pm

Ki Breaker wrote:An interesting theory..
Would also explain why trunks could pull all this.. it's all because of friendship..
Nah, that was just bullshit.

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Post by fadeddreams5 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:46 pm

I wish they went full ham by having Zamasu fire a planet destroying beam and Trunks trying to push it back with his sword. Then, everyone lends him their strength. All while this song plays: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7MlWr0wbVQ (replace "queen" with "god" and "wand" with "sword")
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Post by Animelover5487 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:50 pm

TBH, I was reminded of Jesus when he said he took Goku's body to carry the sins of mortals and failure of the gods into his body.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:43 pm

Hmm. I've never thought about it that way, but that certainly is an interesting take on the character, Doctor.

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Post by Cipher » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:18 pm

I do appreciate that no one (writers included) takes their speeches seriously and that the final word on Zamasu's sense of justice is "Who cares?"

I get the impression that other series with Super's target demographic would have forced everyone to try to hash it out and added some heavy-handed moralizing.

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Post by SaiyanZ » Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:56 pm

I think he's pretty generic, there's a ton of god-complex villains out there who want to kill humanity off because of their fighting nature.
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Post by Hit!! » Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:20 am

Zamasu is more a parody of old testament Yahweh than anything else.

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Post by phattangent » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:48 am

Doctor. wrote:
Ki Breaker wrote:An interesting theory..
Would also explain why trunks could pull all this.. it's all because of friendship..
Nah, that was just bullshit.
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