The upcoming Hit arc: Canon or Filler?

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Re: The upcoming Hit arc: Canon or Filler?

Post by sangofe » Sun Nov 20, 2016 12:36 pm

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sangofe wrote:I thought it was only one episode with Hit? Not an entire arc?
I guess we know from the episode titles that he's in at least one episode... maybe more?
It could very well just be a one episode thing. Or they could get back to it after those two episodes... Who knows...?

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Re: The upcoming Hit arc: Canon or Filler?

Post by Bullza » Sun Nov 20, 2016 12:43 pm

Probably it's filler but longer than the 3 episodes Potafou arc, probably why they are adversiting it. If this was the case then the manga would have 1 or 3 months to go ahead without needing to rush a lot.
There could be more filler, I'd find it surprising it surprising if we had filler up to February though, that'd be about 12 episodes which seems too much because there only 5 episodes of filler between the Universe 6 and Future Trunks arcs.

Filler up to January is possible as that'd be around 8 episodes. The next 3 episodes being filler and then this "Hit arc" being canon but because the anime moves at a slower place than the manga chapter in January could be able to pull ahead slightly by the end of the chapter or the with the next one is also possible but that'd mean there'd only be one more chapter left of the Future Trunks arc which seems too little.

So either the Future Trunks arc in the manga is going to pretty short or there's going to be a lot of filler in the anime.
I thought it was only one episode with Hit? Not an entire arc?
Is it? I've just seen people throwing the word arc around for it. It seems too much for just one episode Hit would come to Earth and he may or may not kill him (I couldn't see filler killing Goku off if he does) and then there'd be the whole mystery of who was behind the one who sent Hit to kill him and what's going to happen with that guy. Would they really advertise the one episode like that?

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Re: The upcoming Hit arc: Canon or Filler?

Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:16 pm

It's just a one-off episode not an entire arc. And yeah, it's filler.

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Re: The upcoming Hit arc: Canon or Filler?

Post by kinisking » Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:52 pm

I'm going to go with filler. As long as it's good, I don't mind though.
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Re: The upcoming Hit arc: Canon or Filler?

Post by namekiansaiyan » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:06 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:It's just a one-off episode not an entire arc. And yeah, it's filler.
How can something that serious be only 1 episode.

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Re: The upcoming Hit arc: Canon or Filler?

Post by sangofe » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:18 pm

namekiansaiyan wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:It's just a one-off episode not an entire arc. And yeah, it's filler.
How can something that serious be only 1 episode.
They can make it into something funny, and well, anything in super can be short. That has been proved before.

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Re: The upcoming Hit arc: Canon or Filler?

Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:20 pm

namekiansaiyan wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:It's just a one-off episode not an entire arc. And yeah, it's filler.
How can something that serious be only 1 episode.
Because the Dragon Balls exist.

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Re: The upcoming Hit arc: Canon or Filler?

Post by sintzu » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:47 pm

That episode airs a few days after Toriyama's next arc is announced so there's a good chance that it's part of it.
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The BOG and RF arcs are based on Toriyama's scripts like the Champa and Trunks arcs so they're just as canon as they are.
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Re: The upcoming Hit arc: Canon or Filler?

Post by sangofe » Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:29 pm

sintzu wrote:That episode airs a few days after Toriyama's next arc is announced so there's a good chance that it's part of it.
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precita wrote:Every episode is canon.
No. Just the Gods Tournament saga and Future Trunks saga. Everything else is Toei's thing.
The BOG and RF arcs are based on Toriyama's scripts like the Champa and Trunks arcs so they're just as canon as they are.
Has Toriyama's next arc been announed?

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Re: The upcoming Hit arc: Canon or Filler?

Post by Grimlock » Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:20 pm

sintzu wrote:The BOG and RF arcs are based on Toriyama's scripts like the Champa and Trunks arcs.
Do you have a source for that?

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Re: The upcoming Hit arc: Canon or Filler?

Post by sintzu » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:21 pm

sangofe wrote:Has Toriyama's next arc been announed?
I think it'll be announced on the 18th of next month.
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Re: The upcoming Hit arc: Canon or Filler?

Post by sintzu » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:23 pm

Grimlock wrote:Do you have a source for that?
The arcs follow the same plot points as the movies do.
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Re: The upcoming Hit arc: Canon or Filler?

Post by Grimlock » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:28 pm

That's obviously because they are based on the movies. But that alone doesn't make them canon.

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Re: The upcoming Hit arc: Canon or Filler?

Post by Freezerbaby » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:37 pm

I think it´s filler, we never got a new main arc after another this quickly in the past, if anything, the upcoming episodes might serve as a build-up to what´s coming next, the otherworld tournament seemed like canon as well, but it didn´t.

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Re: The upcoming Hit arc: Canon or Filler?

Post by Bullza » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:03 pm

Oh yeah there was something about them announcing a next arc in December but I looked it up and they said this.

"According to the live stream of Heroes, the new arc from the original draft by Toriyama will be showcased in December 2016 at Jump Fiesta. The Jump Fiesta is scheduled for Dec. 7-8, 2016 and we can expect the new arc of "Dragon Ball Super" by Toriyama."

That's 10-11 days before this episode with Hit airs. All they said was that it will be showcased, not revealed or announced. It's possible that they're referring to this Hit stuff we got a preview for. The whole "Goku dies" thing, even if he doesn't actually die seems too much for filler.

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Re: The upcoming Hit arc: Canon or Filler?

Post by Will » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:07 pm

"Death to Goku! A Hit - Job That Can't Be Refused"
That's just look like Hit's order, it isn't really about Goku dying.

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Re: The upcoming Hit arc: Canon or Filler?

Post by bleed0range » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:01 pm

Grimlock wrote:That's obviously because they are based on the movies. But that alone doesn't make them canon.
Well, it sort of does because both movies were the beginning of Toriyama being heavily involved in creating new stories. Super directly follows the movies with the Champa arc developed by Toriyama, then the Future Trunks arc. So, yeah they're in episodic format but they're still based on stories by Toriyama the same way the two new arcs of Super are.

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Re: The upcoming Hit arc: Canon or Filler?

Post by DragonHermit » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:05 pm

Unless this is a gag episode, I think this is for real. The backstory of this would be too long and complex, for it to be a filler arc.

I am 100% sure, the U12 time traveller has something to do with this.

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Re: The upcoming Hit arc: Canon or Filler?

Post by bleed0range » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:26 pm

DragonHermit wrote:Unless this is a gag episode, I think this is for real. The backstory of this would be too long and complex, for it to be a filler arc.

I am 100% sure, the U12 time traveller has something to do with this.
It would be very easy for there to be one episode where someone puts a hit on Goku and Hit pretends to comply and in the end both he and Goku defeat the guy who put the hit on him in some funny way and show they have a mutual respect for one another.

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Re: The upcoming Hit arc: Canon or Filler?

Post by Bullza » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:46 pm

The key art makes Hit look so ominous though.

It's a good idea for am arc. It would retain the mystery that made the Future Trunks arc so popular where there'd be all those theories and speculations on who was the one who wanted Goku dead.

There's quite a bit of potential to have there especially with Hit for it to just be filler. Before they mentioned Hit's killing techniques which we never saw and him fighting Goku again in the future without him having to hold back. They could have that here.

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