"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[dragonballhero]

Personally, I'm completely fine with how Gohan is treated. We saw him growing up through the years into a powerful warrior, and he reached his peak by the end of Boo arc by becoming the strongest non-fused mortal warrior in the universe. But even in the original manga, he always had the potential, but his only motivation to fight was to protect his family & friends. He didn't like fighting, but the situations forced him to. Now the man is living his dream, he has his dream-job, he has his own family, and there is peace to the world. There are still conflicts, but they are small. The Beerus & Freeza conflicts lasted an afternoon, and the Zamasu conflict lasted a few days, in a parallel world. And the future conflicts will most likely continue like this. What's more, Goku & Vegeta have become far stronger than Gohan, and can become even more immensely stronger by becoming Vegetto, and SSB Vegetto will always be stronger than even a fully-trained SSB Gohan so there is no reason for Gohan to train to begin with. Even though Gohan grew weaker, he doesn't care that much because he isn't a fighter at heart.

Gohan had lots of cool moments, he reached his peak as a fighter, he is now is living his dream-life, and he isn't needed to fight (outside of fan-service). He grew weaker, but his dream wasn't to be a strong fighter, but to live the life that he is living now, which is what made him weaker. As a Gohan fan, I'm perfectly cool with this.

But I do feel a little sad for Piccolo, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, and Yamcha. These guys were true martial artists & had Goku as their goal to surpass, but they all ate his dust & half of them were forced to retirement... At least Kuririn has #18 & Marron.

This is also how I feel about Gohan now as well. I'm happy for Gohan and he's finally accomplished so much in his life now. Granted, I don't like how so many enemies as of recent have more or less been plowing though him for the most part, but with Goku and Vegeta around, you have to admit, there's not too much of a need for him to be overexerting himself, especially considering how Gohan wasn't even a fighter at heart like his dad and Vegeta to begin with. Also, with the help of god ki, Goku and Vegeta have now both (supposedly) SURPASSED Gohan by leaps and bounds, kind of nullifying his participation in battle quite a bit...

His whole life, there's just always been a situation that called upon him and the rest of the Dragon Team. Now that he has a family to take care of and spend time with, I'd say he's got a pretty comfy life now, wouldn't you agree?

Also, don't forget, we still have Main Timeline Trunks and ESPECIALLY Goten to focus on. Heck, if you want to go even farther, we could even say that Pan AND Uub have an opportunity to get some focus. In the case of Pan, she could hopefully retcon her GT personality, and Uub could get more character development as a whole on-screen.

[THEGOKU]

I didn't really want to ask but I like to go with the hey you never know type of flow. I wouldn't care who it is but seeing as how it worked with Trunks to keep him relevant throughout the whole thing I mean it's very possible. I just finished watching all of Kai and it just reminded me how collecting the dragon balls or searching for other ways to defeat a character. Heck even training other characters like what Piccolo did with Goten and Trunks they found use for practically everyone to do something. That's really the key thing here. Get everyone involved someway somehow. I mean even Hurcule was important to the fight with Buu.

[dbzfan7]

I'd probably have an easier time not giving a crap about Gohan's choices, if it wasn't so poorly done. The end goal makes perfect sense at where he is now, but the way he got there was such poorly done crap. Not to mention they bring him out just to regress him right back to where he was as a child any time he fights. If he's retired, let him retire. But that's only half of the problem. The other half is, he's fucking boring now. He's so fucking boring because his character has almost nothing to it anymore except for Great Saiyaman where he gets to be fun and at least humorous. There is barely anything to strive for as he succeeded in getting what he wants. So just like Roshi and most of the Dragon Ball cast, he's just loitered around as a standee rather than a character. "Oh hey look it's Muten Roshi. What a pervy old man." "Oh hey look it's Chi Chi. What a bossy lady." "Oh hey it's Tenshinhan...what a......Tenshinhan." That's basically all he is. He's a cardboard standee who is there to remind you he exists...and that's it.

At least as a retired fighter they could have done something interesting with his character like mentoring Trunks with words, having Pan be the center of his world, some small occasionally looked into job like Krillin's police work. Something, anything, but no. It's nothing. They missed the boat horribly and just like a lot of characters who once they achieve their goal, they entirely lose everything that made them interesting or worth watching, and thus become completely dull. It'd probably work if they just gave him the Lunch treatment and maybe appear at a party or something, but fails to be worth any screen time. Which is probably why they've cut his time so drastically. Because he's entirely dull and has nothing interesting they can tell about him. That's not because he's not fighting, but because they can't even write anything good for him to do but be a cardboard standee.

[kinisking]

Gohans happy and that's great, but I still want him to become a fighter. Stories are all about conflict. I mean remember how much people wanted a villian and a dark arc. I want to see Gohan struggle. And yes, I'm a still a real fan in doing so.

Well said. This is exactly how I feel. There's no need for Gohan to train anymore, especially for those people who complain about "fanservice". If they said Gohan should be relevant once more, they'd be contradicting their own stance on "fanservice".

They contradicted themselves the second they started watching a show that has no reason to exist besides for fan service.

[namekiansaiyan]

Gohan should stay retired. He never had a fun and interesting fight in the series and only rages. He also has a shit personality for a fighting series while also having no unique moves or skills.

Why would Toriyama include him in the story and fights, when he brings nothing exciting.

[dbs fanboy]

I think that Gohan could be interesting once Pan grows.

I mean, Pan is a Kid Goku-like character so Gohan would have to leave his confort zone to control his daughter.
In fact, making Pan grow plus adding Bra it's what super needs to make more characters relevant. Once Pan grows up Goku would start feeling like an old grandpa and we would see a lot of nice interactions. Goten might even become a character, by realizing that he's not the "little kid" of the family anymore and that he should take care of Pan. Gohan/Piccolo could be her mentors.

Now by adding Bra, Trunks and Vegeta might have more development.
Trunks has grown up a bit by Meeting his future self, imagine how would he feel taking the role of the "big brother". And Vegeta could show an even softer side.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I really hope they do something with Trunks/Goten now. Seriously...now that Trunks has been "inspired"by his future self why not go to Goten...his perfect sparring partner....and have a deep (for their age) talk about becoming stronger to protect the world.

They literally have to do 0 work and can at least start to make the two of them relevant again.

[alakazam^]

They contradicted themselves the second they started watching a show that has no reason to exist besides for fan service.

How is Super fanservice?

Of course it has a reason to exist, people want more Dragon Ball.

[Alruneia]

I think that Gohan could be interesting once Pan grows.

I mean, Pan is a Kid Goku-like character so Gohan would have to leave his confort zone to control his daughter.
In fact, making Pan grow plus adding Bra it's what super needs to make more characters relevant. Once Pan grows up Goku would start feeling like an old grandpa and we would see a lot of nice interactions. Goten might even become a character, by realizing that he's not the "little kid" of the family anymore and that he should take care of Pan. Gohan/Piccolo could be her mentors.

Now by adding Bra, Trunks and Vegeta might have more development.
Trunks has grown up a bit by Meeting his future self, imagine how would he feel taking the role of the "big brother". And Vegeta could show an even softer side.

This. This so much. This is why I think Super desperately needs a timeskip to EoZ. Pan and Bulla don't have to be important characters on their own (though I'd like that), their existence on its own is reason enough for plenty of character development for the others. Uub as well.
Pan forces development for Gohan, obviously, but also for Goku, like we saw in Episode 43, which, from what I've seen on this forum, is one of the most liked episodes Super has had. You also bring up a good point with Goten not being able to be the "kid character" of the family anymore. Uub also forces development for Goku since we're going into Gokuu-sensei territory, something I'm fairly certain he's not done much of before. As for Bulla, that obviously forces development for Trunks and Vegeta. Sure, we have the "daddy's little literal princess" thing, which has enormous potential, but we could also have sibling shenanigans with Trunks. Though, if I'm going to be realistic (I'm also the little sister to a brother way older than me), at that big of an age gap, sibling rivalry isn't much of a thing anymore, so maybe not. This is fiction, though, and either way, Trunks would definitely be impacted by Bulla's introduction.
A timeskip (not Hit) can't come quickly enough if you ask me.

[namekiansaiyan]

I think that Gohan could be interesting once Pan grows.

I mean, Pan is a Kid Goku-like character so Gohan would have to leave his confort zone to control his daughter.
In fact, making Pan grow plus adding Bra it's what super needs to make more characters relevant. Once Pan grows up Goku would start feeling like an old grandpa and we would see a lot of nice interactions. Goten might even become a character, by realizing that he's not the "little kid" of the family anymore and that he should take care of Pan. Gohan/Piccolo could be her mentors.

Now by adding Bra, Trunks and Vegeta might have more development.
Trunks has grown up a bit by Meeting his future self, imagine how would he feel taking the role of the "big brother". And Vegeta could show an even softer side.

This. This so much. This is why I think Super desperately needs a timeskip to EoZ. Pan and Bulla don't have to be important characters on their own (though I'd like that), their existence on its own is reason enough for plenty of character development for the others. Uub as well.
Pan forces development for Gohan, obviously, but also for Goku, like we saw in Episode 43, which, from what I've seen on this forum, is one of the most liked episodes Super has had. You also bring up a good point with Goten not being able to be the "kid character" of the family anymore. Uub also forces development for Goku since we're going into Gokuu-sensei territory, something I'm fairly certain he's not done much of before. As for Bulla, that obviously forces development for Trunks and Vegeta. Sure, we have the "daddy's little literal princess" thing, which has enormous potential, but we could also have sibling shenanigans with Trunks. Though, if I'm going to be realistic (I'm also the little sister to a brother way older than me), at that big of an age gap, sibling rivalry isn't much of a thing anymore, so maybe not. This is fiction, though, and either way, Trunks would definitely be impacted by Bulla's introduction.
A timeskip (not Hit) can't come quickly enough if you ask me.

There is not really a need for a timeskip. Pan,Bulla and Uub won't change Goku and Vegeta as ultimately they are still only going to care about fighting. Gohan would also just be the same only now he might have a better job. The little interactions will only matter during slice of life moments.

I only want a timeskip to the end of z so it can be changed and then continue from there so restrictions on the story can go.

[buutenks]

No one talking about Goku vs Arale news?

Anyways i cant wait to see it, plus the baseball match vs u6 team. And the episode with Hit trying to kill Goku.

Lots of nice one off episodes till new arc.

Btw any know what the new arc will be? Omniverse tourney?

[MCDaveG]

Are you talking again about Gohan because of his last second cameo at the end of arc with a bang over his face, or are there any news I've missed?

Personally, I am happy that Gohan has become the scholar, he always wanted (or Chi-Chi pressed into...), he leads a different life.
Gohan was the protagonist of Z (playing second to Goku after DB) and his role ended with Pan and happy end.
But no, people are pissed off, as he didn't drove off to sunset on dragon, with no explanatiopn and making some virgin otakus all teary.
Does really that many people don't have a heart? Probably not or they are fans of ''GURH, DEEBEEZEEEAH - midi synths''

[buutenks]

Are you talking again about Gohan because of his last second cameo at the end of arc with a bang over his face, or are there any news I've missed?

Personally, I am happy that Gohan has become the scholar, he always wanted (or Chi-Chi pressed into...), he leads a different life.
Gohan was the protagonist of Z (playing second to Goku after DB) and his role ended with Pan and happy end.
But no, people are pissed off, as he didn't drove off to sunset on dragon, with no explanatiopn and making some virgin otakus all teary.
Does really that many people don't have a heart? Probably not or they are fans of ''GURH, DEEBEEZEEEAH - midi synths''

Did u mean me? If so what does Gohan changing his hair style have to do with the upcoming arc??

I simply asked if there is any news of what the upcoming arc will be about.

[MCDaveG]

Are you talking again about Gohan because of his last second cameo at the end of arc with a bang over his face, or are there any news I've missed?

Personally, I am happy that Gohan has become the scholar, he always wanted (or Chi-Chi pressed into...), he leads a different life.
Gohan was the protagonist of Z (playing second to Goku after DB) and his role ended with Pan and happy end.
But no, people are pissed off, as he didn't drove off to sunset on dragon, with no explanatiopn and making some virgin otakus all teary.
Does really that many people don't have a heart? Probably not or they are fans of ''GURH, DEEBEEZEEEAH - midi synths''

Did u mean me? If so what does Gohan changing his hair style have to do with the upcoming arc??

I simply asked if there is any news of what the upcoming arc will be about.

Nope, I didn't meant anyone specifically, just noticed that Gohan sparked another huge discussion and wondered, if there is any social network or whatever info that haven't got to the main page yet.
After some time here, you will realize that I am not attacking any users verbally, just publishing my opinions in general

[namekiansaiyan]

Are you talking again about Gohan because of his last second cameo at the end of arc with a bang over his face, or are there any news I've missed?

Personally, I am happy that Gohan has become the scholar, he always wanted (or Chi-Chi pressed into...), he leads a different life.
Gohan was the protagonist of Z (playing second to Goku after DB) and his role ended with Pan and happy end.
But no, people are pissed off, as he didn't drove off to sunset on dragon, with no explanatiopn and making some virgin otakus all teary.
Does really that many people don't have a heart? Probably not or they are fans of ''GURH, DEEBEEZEEEAH - midi synths''

Did u mean me? If so what does Gohan changing his hair style have to do with the upcoming arc??

I simply asked if there is any news of what the upcoming arc will be about.

Nope, I didn't meant anyone specifically, just noticed that Gohan sparked another huge discussion and wondered, if there is any social network or whatever info that haven't got to the main page yet.
After some time here, you will realize that I am not attacking any users verbally, just publishing my opinions in general

Gohan just appearing in a episode seems to make the fanbase mad.

No one talking about Goku vs Arale news?

Anyways i cant wait to see it, plus the baseball match vs u6 team. And the episode with Hit trying to kill Goku.

Lots of nice one off episodes till new arc.

Btw any know what the new arc will be? Omniverse tourney?

Hit killing Goku could be the new arc beginning.

[kinisking]

They contradicted themselves the second they started watching a show that has no reason to exist besides for fan service.

How is Super fanservice?

Of course it has a reason to exist, people want more Dragon Ball.

It depends on what definition you're using tbh. If it's to please the fans then super is obviously fan service. I've honestly never understood why people complained about this kind of fan service, they're SUPPOSED to be pleasing the fans.


If it's the sexual kind, then it's not.

[SansrivaaL]

Where's all this news about Gohan coming from? did I miss something? dont tell me its because the dude shows up with his bang and a few lines with good art that people started spreading rumors?

[dbzfan7]

Where's all this news about Gohan coming from? did I miss something? dont tell me its because the dude shows up with his bang and a few lines with good art that people started spreading rumors?

Ignore it. It's nothing at all.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Where's all this news about Gohan coming from?

It's coming from the exact same place it always does, the leftover buckets of ooze from Facebook groups.

[Xeztin]

Where's all this news about Gohan coming from?

It's coming from the exact same place it always does, the leftover buckets of ooze from Facebook groups.

From what I see it's usually a Spanish new's site that owns the magazine the original SSJ5 picture was posted in. I always see pictures of episode previews with like Tien fighting with SSJB Goku or a SSJB Broly.