"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Nejishiki]

Honestly I'm kinda curious as to whether the Dr. Mashirito they're talking about is either the original from Dr. Slump, or his son from that one-shot sequel "Dr. Mashirito and Abale-chan". I'm hoping it's the latter, as it wouldn't really make any sense if it was the former, considering that:

[spoiler]Mashirito was blown up so many times, that by the end of that one fighting tournament in the series, he was basically reduced to a single bolt.[/spoiler]

Still very excited for the episode though, as I absolutely love Dr. Slump, so seeing the characters make another crossover with Dragon Ball is essentially a dream come true for me.

I'm not seeing the issue there. It's not as if Dr. Slump shares continuity with Dragon Ball. They share characters, but they both go out of their way to establish settings that can't exist in a way that's insisted. Granted, it's already inconsistent with Senbei's age apparently being the same as it was in the 4-Star Dragon Ball arc.

[SansrivaaL]

That's my plan in case my top two do get killed off temporarily. Super would just take a back seat for me for a while. I won't be upset, but I'll probably disengage from it partly; like I'll read Herms' summaries instead until they come back.

Basically what I would do as well, for me if Goku dies then Dragon Ball as a whole dies with him. Besides them removing Goku would be a huge gamble, watching DBZ at the early start of Boo Saga with full on Gohan didnt exactly feel like DB for me, I actually stopped watching till I heard Goku came back.

I completely agree about Goku, but I wouldn't mind at all if Vegeta got killed.

True, tbh I would actually like it if Vegeta dies but that would be a huge gamble for Toei and AT as well, they need to have someone close in power to Goku and have him take the beat down to make Goku's fight more profitable.

[TheUltimateNinja]

True, tbh I would actually like it if Vegeta dies but that would be a huge gamble for Toei and AT as well, they need to have someone close in power to Goku and have him take the beat down to make Goku's fight more profitable.

It doesn't really hold any value anymore as we all already know Vegeta is going to get decimated every time he fights first.

[Vados_chan]

It never ceases to amaze me why a brainless, overly large, muscular, screaming simpleton of a Saiyan with no real intelligence remains this popular.

I feel the same way about Hit, he's just as boring as Broly but people ride his dick like the greatest DB character ever.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

That's my plan in case my top two do get killed off temporarily. Super would just take a back seat for me for a while. I won't be upset, but I'll probably disengage from it partly; like I'll read Herms' summaries instead until they come back.

Basically what I would do as well, for me if Goku dies then Dragon Ball as a whole dies with him. Besides them removing Goku would be a huge gamble, watching DBZ at the early start of Boo Saga with full on Gohan didnt exactly feel like DB for me, I actually stopped watching till I heard Goku came back.

I completely agree about Goku, but I wouldn't mind at all if Vegeta got killed.

Vegeta is a weird one for me, like the charachter enough for him to stick around (I personally love his interactions more than anything sure Vegeta badass moments are cool but they dont hold a candle to Goku's, imo Goku's beat down of Black and Zamasu was better than Vegeta's) but absolutely hate his fan base just as much as the Gohan fanbase plus he got the most unearned power up in the entire series just as unearned as Gohan so I probably wouldn't be too upset if he kicked the bucket.

[Will]

The cover for Dvd 14 and 15, there is one for Copy Vegeta.
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[TekTheNinja]

Well obviously I disagree completely about the "Dragon Ball with Goku not there doesn't feel like Dragon Ball" argument. My favorite parts in Dragon Ball are when he's out of commission. When he's still flying to Namek? Best part of Frieza arc. When he succumbs to the heart virus and the others have to go on without him? Best part of Cell arc. When Goku's dead in the Buu arc and is gonna pass the torch to the next generation? Best part of Buu arc, but it's ruined when Gohan get absorbed and Goku steals all the glory yet again. Super doesn't HAVE this. Goku is NEVER out of commission. It sucks.

Goku is the main character. If your favorite parts of the show are when he's not "hogging" the spotlight (he's not hogging anything, he gets what he rightfully deserves by process of being the main character), then you're watching the show for the wrong reasons. I don't know how you survived the series pre-Saiyan arc if him not being out of commission in Super is a complaint.

As Team Four Star has said before, Goku is NOT the main character. He's the HERO. Main character of Z is Gohan.

And Kid Goku was a much better character than he is as an adult in my opinion, and focused on watching him grow and stuff, which was great and also had other characters so it wasn't just the Goku show like Super or GT.

[SansrivaaL]

(Vegeta badass moments are cool but they dont hold a candle to Goku's, imo Goku's beat down of Black and Zamasu was better than Vegeta's)

Likewise, a 2v1 fight with him stomping the hell out of those 2 with a huge ass hole in his chest is miles better than a 1v1 stomp without any injury, plus Goku's backhand punch was by far the best shiz he pulled throughout super, that was savage af.

[kinisking]

(Vegeta badass moments are cool but they dont hold a candle to Goku's, imo Goku's beat down of Black and Zamasu was better than Vegeta's)

Likewise, a 2v1 fight with him stomping the hell out of those 2 with a huge ass hole in his chest is miles better than a 1v1 stomp without any injury, plus Goku's backhand punch was by far the best shiz he pulled throughout super, that was savage af.

I still preferred Vegeta's though. The choreography, animation, and dialogue were much better. Although Goku's back hand punch literally made me shout haha.

Vegeta is a weird one for me, like the charachter enough for him to stick around (I personally love his interactions more than anything sure Vegeta badass moments are cool but they dont hold a candle to Goku's, imo Goku's beat down of Black and Zamasu was better than Vegeta's) but absolutely hate his fan base just as much as the Gohan fanbase plus he got the most unearned power up in the entire series just as unearned as Gohan so I probably wouldn't be too upset if he kicked the bucket.

The difference is that the Gohan fanbase just wants their character to be relevant, while Vegeta's isn't satisfied with him being the second main character. Gohan's fanbase still gets shat on more though

Goku is the main character. If your favorite parts of the show are when he's not "hogging" the spotlight (he's not hogging anything, he gets what he rightfully deserves by process of being the main character), then you're watching the show for the wrong reasons. I don't know how you survived the series pre-Saiyan arc if him not being out of commission in Super is a complaint.

You can't tell him he's watching the show for the wrong reasons. He watches for what he enjoys. It doesn't matter if that's different than what you think he should enjoy. Besides, I don't think he constantly wants him out of commission. He probably just wants him to do it every now and then to spice things up.

[namekiansaiyan]

Basically what I would do as well, for me if Goku dies then Dragon Ball as a whole dies with him. Besides them removing Goku would be a huge gamble, watching DBZ at the early start of Boo Saga with full on Gohan didnt exactly feel like DB for me, I actually stopped watching till I heard Goku came back.

I completely agree about Goku, but I wouldn't mind at all if Vegeta got killed.

True, tbh I would actually like it if Vegeta dies but that would be a huge gamble for Toei and AT as well, they need to have someone close in power to Goku and have him take the beat down to make Goku's fight more profitable.

If Vegeta or Goku died we are only talking about a little while so others can get a go to do something. To me it looks like Goku and Vegeta fans will react the same as Gohan and Piccolo fans if they did die for a little while. Goku was missing for a lot Z so I do not get the problem to me it seems like these Goku and Vegeta will sulk if there chracter is not on the screen 100% of the time which is just ridiculous really.

[Bansho64]

Goku is the main character. If your favorite parts of the show are when he's not "hogging" the spotlight (he's not hogging anything, he gets what he rightfully deserves by process of being the main character), then you're watching the show for the wrong reasons. I don't know how you survived the series pre-Saiyan arc if him not being out of commission in Super is a complaint.

You can't tell him he's watching the show for the wrong reasons. He watches for what he enjoys. It doesn't matter if that's different than what you think he should enjoy.

Exactly. There are no "right reasons".

[Doctor.]

You can't tell him he's watching the show for the wrong reasons. He watches for what he enjoys. It doesn't matter if that's different than what you think he should enjoy. Besides, I don't think he constantly wants him out of commission. He probably just wants him to do it every now and then to spice things up.

TekTheNinja couldn't seemingly understand how someone could stop enjoying the show if Goku (and Vegeta) gets removed, so I merely said that it's much less weird to stop enjoying the show for that reason than stop enjoying the show because of the other characters. Watching Dragon Ball and expecting Goku to stay out of the spotlight is like watching a Batman film and expect anyone other than Batman to solve the mystery and defeat the villain.

[SansrivaaL]

(Vegeta badass moments are cool but they dont hold a candle to Goku's, imo Goku's beat down of Black and Zamasu was better than Vegeta's)

Likewise, a 2v1 fight with him stomping the hell out of those 2 with a huge ass hole in his chest is miles better than a 1v1 stomp without any injury, plus Goku's backhand punch was by far the best shiz he pulled throughout super, that was savage af.

I still preferred Vegeta's though. The choreography, animation, and dialogue were much better. Although Goku's back hand punch literally made me shout haha.

Each to their own, what made Goku's fight more dramatic is because he was pissed, Black and Zamasu were literally teasing him and enjoying the shit out of telling him how they fcked his other timeline self which made the beat down above of what was expected, we barely see Goku pissed at all, while in Vegeta's fight.... it was a typical normal Vegeta fight, tho his lines on how Black wont be able to use Goku's body to its full potential really struck me, that was badass.

[Ki Breaker]

Goku is the main character. If your favorite parts of the show are when he's not "hogging" the spotlight (he's not hogging anything, he gets what he rightfully deserves by process of being the main character), then you're watching the show for the wrong reasons. I don't know how you survived the series pre-Saiyan arc if him not being out of commission in Super is a complaint.

You can't tell him he's watching the show for the wrong reasons. He watches for what he enjoys. It doesn't matter if that's different than what you think he should enjoy.

Exactly. There are no "right reasons".

This is odd..
If you think about it emotionally and passionately than maybe yes, you can even watch the show for the merge fact people have nice eyebrows..

Logically though, that doesn't change the fact if you like a show best when main character is not there and dead, it implies you don't enjoy the show nearly all the time, he is called the main character for a reason, everything revolves around him..
If that very thing is an issue, yes he is watching the show for wrong reasons..

I believe he only wanted to say he enjoys the series yes, but the parts where MC is not there and tension is at fullest are the best.. I kind of even agree with him on this

[SansrivaaL]

If Vegeta or Goku died we are only talking about a little while so others can get a go to do something. To me it looks like Goku and Vegeta fans will react the same as Gohan and Piccolo fans if they did die for a little while. Goku was missing for a lot Z so I do not get the problem to me it seems like these Goku and Vegeta will sulk if there chracter is not on the screen 100% of the time which is just ridiculous really.

Its not like I sulked when Goku was gone at the start of Boo saga, I was simply not interested anymore and was ok with not watching DB at all, DB's not the only anime out there anyways so I was meh about it, they kill Goku off then I'm done I wont watch till I hear some news of him returning, its as simple as that, I wont go around bitching about it thats for sure.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

The difference is that the Gohan fanbase just wants their character to be relevant, while Vegeta's isn't satisfied with him being the second main character. Gohan's fanbase still gets shat on more though

Gohan fanbase isn't quote bad but just incredibly annoying I guess. Like anything they he does they jump on it and say 'he's coming back' when he doesn't they moan about that. I get wanting him to be "relevant" but it's just annoying. Gohan eats ice cream. "Is that some special training ice cream is he coming back?" Feels like that.

But I think the Vegeta fanbase maybe much worse actually remember all the (out of context) memes after #56? And them shouting Toriyama hates Vegeta. Yeah. Getting (worst) unearned power ups isn't good enough apparently nowadays.

[FreddleFrooby]

The cover for Dvd 14 and 15, there is one for Copy Vegeta.
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These look nice. What are the other covers?

[FortuneSSJ]

The cover for Dvd 14 and 15, there is one for Copy Vegeta.
[spoiler][/spoiler]
[spoiler][/spoiler]

SSBKaioken is so beautiful to look at.

[omaro34]

If Vegeta or Goku died we are only talking about a little while so others can get a go to do something. To me it looks like Goku and Vegeta fans will react the same as Gohan and Piccolo fans if they did die for a little while. Goku was missing for a lot Z so I do not get the problem to me it seems like these Goku and Vegeta will sulk if there chracter is not on the screen 100% of the time which is just ridiculous really.

Its not like I sulked when Goku was gone at the start of Boo saga, I was simply not interested anymore and was ok with not watching DB at all, DB's not the only anime out there anyways so I was meh about it, they kill Goku off then I'm done I wont watch till I hear some news of him returning, its as simple as that, I wont go around bitching about it thats for sure.

This is why I cherish 17 vs Piccolo. The last real fight where it doesn't need Super Saiyans to make it epic. DBZ for the most part actually had non-Saiyan heroes contribute to the plot combat wise, and that helped make Z that much more enjoyable.

That's part of why Super doesn't hold a candle to DBZ or the original Dragonball for that matter so far at least, because the roles for each character wasn't so predictable as Super is.

[TekTheNinja]

Again, Goku is NOT the main character. He's the HERO. Main character of Z is Gohan.

And yes I do find it weird that one would be less interested in a show just because it's trying something interesting and using it's side characters instead of the characters it uses all the damn time. Sue me. -_-

If you can't name a single good and worthwhile Tenshinhan or Piccolo moment, you know your series is doing something wrong.

If Vegeta or Goku died we are only talking about a little while so others can get a go to do something. To me it looks like Goku and Vegeta fans will react the same as Gohan and Piccolo fans if they did die for a little while. Goku was missing for a lot Z so I do not get the problem to me it seems like these Goku and Vegeta will sulk if there chracter is not on the screen 100% of the time which is just ridiculous really.

Agreed there. And a lot of Vegeta fans still aren't satisfied right now even though he's the second most prominent character in Super. Seriously some of these fans will only be happy if he's above Goku at all times.