The SHOCKING Truth about Zamasu!!

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The SHOCKING Truth about Zamasu!!

Post by alexhermit » Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:16 am

Zamasu is a wannabe Hades ripoff!!
Toei you can have bad writers in the world, you can fail at comedy! And can lack fresh ideas! But you cant dispute the fact that you were forced to take notes from classic villain of golden age shounen jump just to get everyone hyped all over again!

What are their similarities?

-both had god complex!
-both like to be cocky and act narcissistic over their bodies ;)
-both expect you to worship them!
-both had hate towards humans and wanted to destroy them because they believed they were sinful or evil!
-both took a possession of a pure body!
-both were pretty much immortal, could exist in 4D plane and are Universal+ in power.
-both ended up being wounded but destroyed by gods/goddesses instead of by main characters!


Another big significant difference was about the whole use of time travel which in saint seiya was implied in a sense that after Hades death, Seiya is pretty much cursed and has limited time to live, so Athena with Shun go to Cronus and convince him to send them into different timeline to destroy Hades sword which is some what canon to TLC prequel, but its actually based on a Next Dimension manga sequel from original author. In Dragon Ball the Goku and Z fighters ofcourse go to Zamasu timeline when he was still good and then Beerus kills him, but that still leaves black Goku alive which makes Zamasu still some what unaffected when they travel back to Trunks world

Ofcourse everything could still be purely coincidental between both series but i highly doubt it, there is already too much evidence so it may have been a parody joke.

What do you guys think??

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Re: The SHOCKING Truth about Zamasu!!

Post by precita » Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:21 am

This reads like a post out of reddit.

All villains in every series out there are going to have similarities to each other. Every type of evil character in fiction has already been done.

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Re: The SHOCKING Truth about Zamasu!!

Post by alexhermit » Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:39 am

precita wrote:This reads like a post out of reddit.

All villains in every series out there are going to have similarities to each other. Every type of evil character in fiction has already been done.
Having some similarities is inevitable but when there is a lot of them, that the problem. We all know bad guys will be bad guys, but its the way they are developed in a unique way to the story settings that makes them different. Personally I think Zamasu was pretty poor written anyway, he was way too OP to begin with for a kai and how would he even get a hold of Super Dragon Balls let alone make a wish unless he somehow knew the sacred dragon language or without god of destruction being already aware of it.

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Re: The SHOCKING Truth about Zamasu!!

Post by Ki Breaker » Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:55 am

Pretty much a Bait thread, it's not a shocking truth, it's your opinion..

Villains having similarities is inevitable..
Gods having god complex is what makes them a villan..
And whatever else you mentioned is the result of god complex..
He is not wrong too, he is a god after all..

There is much more depth to his character than mentioned..
No way is he badly written..

You could have worded this better, naming It similarities between zamasu and xyz would be better..
In which case you wouldn't be the first one to point something like this out.. people have compared him with similar characters since long..

But having similarities dosen't make a character rip-off
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Re: The SHOCKING Truth about Zamasu!!

Post by alexhermit » Fri Dec 09, 2016 4:19 am

Ki Breaker wrote:Pretty much a Bait thread, it's not a shocking truth, it's your opinion..

Villains having similarities is inevitable..
Gods having god complex is what makes them a villan..
And whatever else you mentioned is the result of god complex..
He is not wrong too, he is a god after all..

There is much more depth to his character than mentioned..
No way is he badly written..

You could have worded this better, naming It similarities between zamasu and xyz would be better..
In which case you wouldn't be the first one to point something like this out.. people have compared him with similar characters since long..

But having similarities dosen't make a character rip-off
What a way to miss a point. So your think most villains out there have want to destroy all humans, could time travel, wipe out universes!? I know there are some stories out where characters develop into villains but their actions could relate to something completely else which defines them a villain. There are not that many anime verses that could really compare to DBS on a cosmic level. SS Omega which was made by Toei was pretty much based around the entire idea of humans fighting gods and now were just seeing this being done in dragon ball. To be honest Zamasu is a quite a unique apple for Dragon ball world but I think hes too dark and serious for a normal villain that the show is usually used to.

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Re: The SHOCKING Truth about Zamasu!!

Post by Yomi » Fri Dec 09, 2016 4:21 am

These are all things I would expect out of a fallen angel trope.
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Re: The SHOCKING Truth about Zamasu!!

Post by GodVegetto91 » Fri Dec 09, 2016 6:25 am

I think it's a good thread. You've made some valid points. Keep it up!

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Re: The SHOCKING Truth about Zamasu!!

Post by Bavarian » Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:06 am

Your points are valid, however we can't afirm that the idea of Zamasu is only a reinterpretation of Hades... or at least we should consider more things.

For example, some theorics afirms that we are in a "pos-modern age" since the 90s (Dissolution of the Soviet Union and Fall of the Berlim Wall), and one of his most verificable facts are the perspective of a pessimistic future, "end of history" and the most important, that the world is going to a bad end due to the interference of humans, so a "restart" in all perspective could be the "most right thing" to do (thats very Zamasu-like :D ). That's very easy verificably in the movies of Hollywood, where the theme of destruction is always present (so maybe that is aplicable to Beerus and the Hakaishin idea too :wink: ): Independence Day, The Day after Tomorrow, 2012, Knowing, War of the Worlds, X-men:Apocalypse and sooo much other productions... Maybe this perspective was followed (or at least considered) by Dragon Ball (Toriyama).

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Re: The SHOCKING Truth about Zamasu!!

Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Dec 09, 2016 5:55 pm

Do you honestly believe that Hades was the first villain to show all those characteristics? There are many other villains in different forms of media that have acted like Zamasu and Hades before those characters were even created.

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Re: The SHOCKING Truth about Zamasu!!

Post by alexhermit » Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:50 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Do you honestly believe that Hades was the first villain to show all those characteristics? There are many other villains in different forms of media that have acted like Zamasu and Hades before those characters were even created.
Well then i could have said that Zamasu is similar to Light Yagami except I didnt! Cause I'm not talking about one or two similarities and comparing to another character. Samazu is more of an actual deity with a biblical supernatural side attached to it. Who we really are talking about here is a vengeful god whos mad at the humans and wants to destroy or punish them! Which in that case goes back to having to be inspired by real world religions and beliefs that has been around before even the era of Christianity. In the case of greek gods they were an allegorical symbol with a diversified held meaning to many people.

DBS is just similar in that sense as their gods and kais have their own specific role to play which is not a brand new concept. Considering that Dragon Ball and Saint Seiya are so similar, its not surprising that Toei/Toriyama ended up taking some of that inspiration because its and EASY WAY OUT! Cause they dont have to think about a creating a completely original villain. Just add the same cliche we seen from other shows before and twist it around slightly!!

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Re: The SHOCKING Truth about Zamasu!!

Post by Lord Frieza » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:20 pm

All idea's are based on real life experiences or other fiction, many popular characters are copies or reworkings of others. With that in mind I find this revelation rather mundane and if your going to start decrying this case of character similarities then you have to do it for each and every case it comes up in.

Zamasu is not just a rip-off of Hades as the character displays characteristics of final fantasy Sephiroth, Go Nagai's Satan, God as well as Azazel from Cyborg 009 vs Devilman and possibly even taking some ideas from dragon ball AF's Xicor and West Kaioshin.

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Re: The SHOCKING Truth about Zamasu!!

Post by Hit!! » Sat Dec 10, 2016 1:50 pm

Seriously, people will try to find anything to bash super, smh!!

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