"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Chuquita]

Yeah, I like that Toyotaro kept ssjg around, but replacing rosé with regular ssj is a negative for me. Why replace it?! Was pink hair not manly enough for somebody at Shueisha? It's a monochrome manga. Nobody gets to see the color outside of the occasional colorspread anyway.

If it ends up not debuting it all, it's more probable that Rose was never a part of the manuscript to begin with. I doubt Toyotaro has any personal issues with it.

It could be an editor. It wouldn't necessarily be Toyotaro himself.

I just find it upsetting after how big of a thing rosé was in the anime for them to replace it with ssj2 of all things. The only big difference visually is the hair color so I can't help thinking someone at VJump thought the color wasn't masculine enough so they got rid of it.

Imagine if Golden Freeza was Silver Freeza in the manga while still golden in the anime. It just strikes me as someone at Shueisha changing stuff to suit themselves after the fact.


But I'll wait for next month and see if they have ssjrosé in that chapter.

[Freeza9000]

Though I got to admit, Beerus killing Zamasu was surely handled epicly in the manga. https://twitter.com/white4517/status/809247484933353472

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I just find it upsetting after how big of a thing rosé was in the anime for them to replace it with ssj2 of all things. The only big difference visually is the hair color so I can't help thinking someone at VJump thought the color wasn't masculine

I seriously doubt the VJump has a problem with the color, that's really reaching. Depending on how things play out, it's entirely possible that Rose was a Toei addition. That doesn't necessarily make one more legitimate than the other, but if it's not in the manga, I'm going with the most probable explanation, that it was never Toriyama's idea to begin with.

[OLKv3]

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Can someone translate this?

[Beerus-sama]

What kind of "arc" and villian are these if theres no trouble for the heroes?
If there really is no rosé and they just fuse as that then how is the fusion going to be stronger than the heroes?

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Can someone translate this?

Goku says how Vegeta sure has trained and theres a lot of difference between their powers and they sure will win but Trunks got a bad feeling and says they must end this fast. Goku understands.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

What kind of "arc" and villain are these if there's no trouble for the heroes?

Assuming Vegetto doesn't happen, which is looking more and more probable, it might make sense. Goku and Vegeta were originally ridiculously weaker than Majin Boo, but far surpassed him as Vegetto. Also, God Ki, and by extension, SSB, hasn't been elaborated on very much in the manga continuity, so this Merged Zamasu could easily be greater than the protagonists.

[sailorspazz]

Disappointing that Rosé isn't a thing in the manga (from what we've seen, anyway...). Seems like they really downplayed Black and Zamasu's goal of making everything beautiful; I think the pretty pink form is a casualty of that (yes, I understand maybe it wasn't Toriyama's idea anyway...doesn't mean I can't miss it ). Black hardly seems threatening or interesting at all in this version.

I've seen little things in this chapter that please my fangirl side, but otherwise it just looks like a rushed, less compelling version of the anime.

[micah007]

Can anyone make out part of what Beerus said when he killed Zamasu. I hope Hakai made it into the manga

https://twitter.com/white4517/status/809247484933353472

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Most of the word is cut off, so I doubt anyone's going to call it quite yet, but he probably does say "Hakai"

[micah007]

I figured it would be hard to call right now, but I also do think it is Hakai. Would be a lot more interesting for that ability in the manga compared to just a Ki blast.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

That decintegration effect wouldn't have worked as well in a still format, I totally understand the change.

[micah007]

I agree. Still hope it is the same power, I liked that unique ability.

[Beerus-sama]

Can anyone make out part of what Beerus said when he killed Zamasu. I hope Hakai made it into the manga

https://twitter.com/white4517/status/809247484933353472

He says "Hakai"
I quite like that he turns into sand than in sparkles

I've seen little things in this chapter that please my fangirl side, but otherwise it just looks like a rushed, less compelling version of the anime.

Totally agree, this part of the manga has been so much rushed, there was no mystery for Black, Zamasu's motives are more bland and now theres no rosé, nor cute ahoge , nor Zenkais nor nothing .
This arc in the manga is dead for me now

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I've seen little things in this chapter that please my fangirl side, but otherwise it just looks like a rushed, less compelling version of the anime.

Totally agree, this part of the manga has been so much rushed, there was no mystery for Black, Zamasu's motives are more bland and now theres no rosé, nor cute ahoge , nor Zenkais nor nothing .
This arc in the manga is dead for me now

I don't understand how anyone can think that this is the most rushed. This arc not only has a nice, consistent pace so far, but it even had room for padding. As for the Black mystery, that was contrived af in the anime. We knew who Black was from the time Zamasu went to Barbari, so would the main characters if they hadn't been holding the idiot ball for episodes on end. As for SSR not existing in the manga, we don't even know how it plays out. It wouldn't blatantly violate any continuity rule, nor would it throw a wrench in anything else that I'm aware of. Zenkai's as they wprked for Goku Black, on the other hand, make no sense. Why was he improving so vastly every time he got injured, but not Goku, Vegeta, or Trunks? It was cool, don't get me wrong, but it shouldn't have been there in the first place/ As for Zamasu's motives, they're almost exactly the same, kill all humanoids to make the world a peaceful place.

What changed? I understand having gripes about the manga, but it irks me when people complain about problems that either don't exist or aren't actually problems. Am I ass-backwards somewhere? Can someone straighten this out for me?

I agree. Still hope it is the same power

The power to destroy? Yeah, I'm sure it has that power.

[OLKv3]

Black lost all of his charm and feels like a pathetic one note villain. He isn't a cool badass and so far the fights don't look special. He comes off as a try hard who thinks he's hot stuff but really isn't. He's almost the opposite of his anime portrayal. People also like the mystery aspect. Everyone did not figure out Black's true self before it was revealed. Some of us did, but others still had theories up until the reveal. Everything feels incredibly condensed and try.

[Araki]

I seriously doubt the VJump has a problem with the color, that's really reaching. Depending on how things play out, it's entirely possible that Rose was a Toei addition. That doesn't necessarily make one more legitimate than the other, but if it's not in the manga, I'm going with the most probable explanation, that it was never Toriyama's idea to begin with.

Sorry to burst your bubble but everything points to Rose being Toriyama's idea. Rose's original design by Toriyama was posted and discussed a while ago over at the Official Announcement Thread, and it had a small note specifying to the staff the color of his hair when transformed. Why would Toriyama even write that note if it wasn't his idea? That doesn't make sense. Maybe someone can help me and post the design here.

In fact, what we never saw a design for was SSJ2 Black! So, for now, we have more reason to assume that was exclusively a Toyotaro's addition.

We have to stop this notion that Toyotaro doesn't change things around - it's more than clear at this point that he does. He flat out stated the resolution of this arc in the manga would be intentionally different from the anime. He's probably being told to make it different, in all fairness. Can't forget this is just a promotional tool for the anime.

I don't understand how anyone can think that this is the most rushed. This arc not only has a nice, consistent pace so far, but it even had room for padding.

It's not only rushed, it's dull as hell. The padding was badly used for stuff that had zero relevance for the plot, just for the sake of making it different from the anime. While things like Zamasu's motivation to go after Goku ended up being terribly, terribly forced in the manga.

[Beerus-sama]

I don't understand how anyone can think that this is the most rushed. This arc not only has a nice, consistent pace so far, but it even had room for padding. As for the Black mystery, that was contrived af in the anime. We knew who Black was from the time Zamasu went to Barbari, so would the main characters if they hadn't been holding the idiot ball for episodes on end. As for SSR not existing in the manga, we don't even know how it plays out. It wouldn't blatantly violate any continuity rule, nor would it throw a wrench in anything else that I'm aware of. Zenkai's as they wprked for Goku Black, on the other hand, make no sense. Why was he improving so vastly every time he got injured, but not Goku, Vegeta, or Trunks? It was cool, don't get me wrong, but it shouldn't have been there in the first place/ As for Zamasu's motives, they're almost exactly the same, kill all humanoids to make the world a peaceful place.

What changed? I understand having gripes about the manga, but it irks me when people complain about problems that either don't exist or aren't actually problems. Am I ass-backwards somewhere? Can someone straighten this out for me?
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Yeah, it had Go Karts and Goku's visit with Zen'ou. But the parts with Black and Zamasu did changed the feeling for me.
Zamasu not fighting Goku was not good to me, him fighting Goku added more reason to why Zamasu chose Goku's body and not by only seeing him in the U6 video against Hit.
Zenkais as I want to believe were the result of Black watching Goku's moves and learn about his new body.

Black lost all of his charm and feels like a pathetic one note villain. He isn't a cool badass and so far the fights don't look special. He comes off as a try hard who thinks he's hot stuff but really isn't. He's almost the opposite of his anime portrayal.

This too.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Sorry to burst your bubble but everything points to Rose being Toriyama's idea. Rose's original design by Toriyama was posted and discussed a while ago over at the Official Announcement Thread, and it had a small note specifying to the staff the color of his hair when transformed. Why would Toriyama even write that note if it wasn't his idea? That doesn't make sense. Maybe someone can help me and post the design here.

I suspect that it will be a Yamamuro trace. I'd also appreciate it if someone posted it.

In fact, what we never saw a design for was SSJ2 Black! So, for now, we have more reason to assume that was exclusively a Toyotaro's addition.

Assuming that I'm right, and this is traced or modified my Yamamuro, that would be evidence that neither are a Toriyama idea, not that I care. I think you're misunderstanding my position, I don't think that Toyotaro necessarily makes less changes, I think they make different types of changes. Toei's team makes changes that will stretch and pad the arc out long enough to last for a long time, while still maintaining interest (to varying degrees of success). Naturally, this will have better pacing, since it's the prioritized product. While Toyotaro makes additions that implore more artistic creativity, continuity fixes, and other things coming from a fan perspective, which is unfortunately limited by his schedule and ties to the show.

[Beerus-sama]

Found it.
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Source: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=30157&hilit=ahoge& ... 0#p1195569

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Found it.
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Source: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=30157&hilit=ahoge& ... 0#p1195569

Can I ask one more favor? Will you find a picture of Yamamuro's Merged Zamasu?