"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Kanassa]

A new OP pretty much confirms that Super is not gonna finish after this arc, like a few people have assumed. While I'm happy for the new OP we're getting, at the same time, it's a bit of shame that the case because I loved the current OP. Oh well. The PV is also very intriguing, but unfortunately my worst fears have been confirmed... every team that loses has their universe destroyed. Look, I understand that they want to create stakes for tournament, but man this feel like a colossal waste of the potential the others universes could provide. Man, the multiverse concept looks like it's going to wasted on a tournament. I hope there is an underlying plot to this whole thing that would make the pay off of several universe being wasted, but its gotta be the greatest payoff Dragon Ball has ever done for a plotline.

You acting like all the universes will be wiped out, while possible, it's more likely that only some will be to lay on the pressure.

[namekiansaiyan]

A new OP pretty much confirms that Super is not gonna finish after this arc, like a few people have assumed. While I'm happy for the new OP we're getting, at the same time, it's a bit of shame that the case because I loved the current OP. Oh well. The PV is also very intriguing, but unfortunately my worst fears have been confirmed... every team that loses has their universe destroyed. Look, I understand that they want to create stakes for tournament, but man this feel like a colossal waste of the potential the others universes could provide. Man, the multiverse concept looks like it's going to wasted on a tournament. I hope there is an underlying plot to this whole thing that would make the pay off of several universe being wasted, but its gotta be the greatest payoff Dragon Ball has ever done for a plotline.

I want the opening video to fit the tournament, so it should focus on all fighters and not just Goku.

Is anyone else thinking there's going to be a universe that turns up with just one fighter?

Maybe, but I hope not. I really want Toriyama to test himself and make as many characters as possible so we can get 10 fighters per universe for a total of 120 fighters.

[Alruneia]

Is anyone else thinking there's going to be a universe that turns up with just one fighter?

Just one guy with extreme power and/or an extremely efficient technique, to the point where the God of Destruction deemed bringing nine other people unnecessary? I don't think so, but I really hope so.

[Lord Beerus]

A new OP pretty much confirms that Super is not gonna finish after this arc, like a few people have assumed. While I'm happy for the new OP we're getting, at the same time, it's a bit of shame that the case because I loved the current OP. Oh well. The PV is also very intriguing, but unfortunately my worst fears have been confirmed... every team that loses has their universe destroyed. Look, I understand that they want to create stakes for tournament, but man this feel like a colossal waste of the potential the others universes could provide. Man, the multiverse concept looks like it's going to wasted on a tournament. I hope there is an underlying plot to this whole thing that would make the pay off of several universe being wasted, but its gotta be the greatest payoff Dragon Ball has ever done for a plotline.

You acting like all the universes will be wiped out, while possible, it's more likely that only some will be to lay on the pressure.

Let's be real though... at the end of the day, the universe that have the main cast in it will survive. I mean, given when Super is set, I can't imagine any other kind of ending, unless Toriyama isn't taking the end of the manga into consideration.

[Kanassa]

A new OP pretty much confirms that Super is not gonna finish after this arc, like a few people have assumed. While I'm happy for the new OP we're getting, at the same time, it's a bit of shame that the case because I loved the current OP. Oh well. The PV is also very intriguing, but unfortunately my worst fears have been confirmed... every team that loses has their universe destroyed. Look, I understand that they want to create stakes for tournament, but man this feel like a colossal waste of the potential the others universes could provide. Man, the multiverse concept looks like it's going to wasted on a tournament. I hope there is an underlying plot to this whole thing that would make the pay off of several universe being wasted, but its gotta be the greatest payoff Dragon Ball has ever done for a plotline.

You acting like all the universes will be wiped out, while possible, it's more likely that only some will be to lay on the pressure.

Let's be real though... at the end of the day, the universe that have the main cast in it will survive. I mean, given when Super is set, I can't imagine any other kind of ending, unless Toriyama isn't taking the end of the manga into consideration.

We know Universe 7 survives, we also know universe 10 survives. So there's a chance.

[ekrolo2]

We know Universe 7 survives, we also know universe 10 survives. So there's a chance.

Universe 10 survives for sure? Why?

[Kanassa]

We know Universe 7 survives, we also know universe 10 survives. So there's a chance.

Universe 10 survives for sure? Why?

Gowasu and Zamasu travelled forward in time, past when the tournament would take place and found Universe 10 still intact.

[ekrolo2]

We know Universe 7 survives, we also know universe 10 survives. So there's a chance.

Universe 10 survives for sure? Why?

Gowasu and Zamasu travelled forward in time, past when the tournament would take place and found Universe 10 still intact.

I doubt Toriyama thought of this when that scene was written.

[nitwit]

We know Universe 7 survives, we also know universe 10 survives. So there's a chance.

Universe 10 survives for sure? Why?

Better question? Who will be the fighters for Universe 10? We know that the Kai's exist over there. But we haven't seen their God who destroyed a universe. Yet!

[incarnati0n]

We know Universe 7 survives, we also know universe 10 survives. So there's a chance.

Universe 10 survives for sure? Why?

Gowasu and Zamasu travelled forward in time, past when the tournament would take place and found Universe 10 still intact.

Maybe when Zeno destroys a universe it's the same as Beerus killing Zamasu and creates a new timeline. Wouldn't that make it possible for U10 to be destroyed even if it was intact when they traveled to the future with the time ring?

[Kanassa]

Universe 10 survives for sure? Why?

Gowasu and Zamasu travelled forward in time, past when the tournament would take place and found Universe 10 still intact.

I doubt Toriyama thought of this when that scene was written.

If he'd take the EOZ into account, it's likely he'd take into account the scene that was a turning point in his previous villain.

[ekrolo2]

Better question? Who will be the fighters for Universe 10? We know that the Kai's exist over there. But we haven't seen their God who destroyed a universe. Yet!

if Zamasu survived he very well could've fought since he's as strong as post absorption God Goku. You might say Gowasu would forbid it since he's his replacement as Supreme Kai of U10 but if the whole universe were to get annihilated anyway, worrying about replacement Kaioshin for it shouldn't be much of a priority.

If he'd take the EOZ into account, it's likely he'd take into account the scene that was a turning point in his previous villain.

Considering the fact Super has some of the shittiest continuity, maybe THE worst out of anything DB related I really doubt we're gonna spare U10 just because of that one scene with Zamasu.

[sintzu]

Let's be real though... at the end of the day, the universe that have the main cast in it will survive. I mean, given when Super is set, I can't imagine any other kind of ending, unless Toriyama isn't taking the end of the manga into consideration.

It could be destroyed then brought back later somehow.

Zeno could have a mission in a future arc and who gets it done gets their universe back.

[Kanassa]

if Zamasu survived he very well could've fought since he's as strong as post absorption God Goku. You might say Gowasu would forbid it since he's his replacement as Supreme Kai of U10 but if the whole universe were to get annihilated anyway, worrying about replacement Kaioshin for it shouldn't be much of a priority.

If he'd take the EOZ into account, it's likely he'd take into account the scene that was a turning point in his previous villain.

Considering the fact Super has some of the shittiest continuity, maybe THE worst out of anything DB related I really doubt we're gonna spare U10 just because of that one scene with Zamasu.

Does it? So far it's been very good with continuity, it's just plot-wise only a few of the things remembered aren't just thrown away.

[ekrolo2]

Does it? So far it's been very good with continuity, it's just plot-wise only a few of the things remembered aren't just thrown away.

It randomly drops concepts and potential things in and out for no good or adequately explained reason and shits the bed something fierce whenever it tries to tie into Z. KKs absence thus far is the prime example. Sometimes it even says things that are blatantly contradicted like how in one episode Blue is taxing on a persons stamina then later on is better than Mastered Super Saiyan in terms of ki control.

[Kanassa]

KKs absence thus far is the prime example.

You mean KioKen? They explained why it's not used more often, it's extremely straining on the body when already in a transformed state, which is why Goku's body already started getting mangled when using it against Hit.

Sometimes it even says things that are blatantly contradicted like how in one episode Blue is taxing on a persons stamina then later on is better than Mastered Super Saiyan in terms of ki control.

When did they say it stopped being taxing on the body?

[ekrolo2]

You mean KioKen? They explained why it's not used more often, it's extremely straining on the body when already in a transformed state, which is why Goku's body already started getting mangled when using it against Hit.

And that doesn't make a lick of sense because Goku mastered Super Saiyan to the point where it was little more than a really powerful version of his base form. The recton of MSS to prop Blue up is both annoying and makes no sense as an explanation.

When did they say it stopped being taxing on the body?

When it said Blue gives you perfect ki control, how does a form take a good toll on your stamina but give you simultaneously perfect ki control to combo it with a stressing technique like KK?

[Kanassa]

You mean KioKen? They explained why it's not used more often, it's extremely straining on the body when already in a transformed state, which is why Goku's body already started getting mangled when using it against Hit.

And that doesn't make a lick of sense because Goku mastered Super Saiyan to the point where it was little more than a really powerful version of his base form. The recton of MSS to prop Blue up is both annoying and makes no sense as an explanation.

That doesn't change the fact that Kioken is still straining. Even if mastered, it's still being applied on top of Super Saiyan. This isn't retconning MSS.

When did they say it stopped being taxing on the body?

When it said Blue gives you perfect ki control, how does a form take a good toll on your stamina but give you simultaneously perfect ki control to combo it with a stressing technique like KK?
I'm not seeing the contradiction.

[ekrolo2]

That doesn't change the fact that Kioken is still straining. Even if mastered, it's still being applied on top of Super Saiyan. This isn't retconning MSS.

Old Kai says Goku can't combo KK on regular SS because SS is an emotionally unstable form which is bull shit of the highest order to anyone who remembers how easily Goku can use in Z after mastering it. Its a pretty blatant retcon.

I'm not seeing the contradiction.

Its a contradiction because the form is apparently taxing but you can control its power perfectly enough to combine another taxing technique on top of it. Okay, if the form gives the user perfect ki control, then they can command how much or how little energy it saps, so which is it? Is it taxing or 100% controllable?

[Kanassa]

Episode 71 is good so far, seemingly no foreshadowing for the next arc yet...