Weaker competitors in the tournament

[namekiansaiyan]

That is still a third of the team. And someone of Perfect Cell's level, not even Super Perfect Cell, could wiped out the rest outside of Buu, Gohan, Goku, and Vegeta. The point is, the enemy don't have to be as strong as Goku and Vegeta's base forms to beat most of U7. They just have to be as strong as Fat Buu before he lost his evil half.

I doubt someone of Perfect Cell's level would be capable of taking out Piccolo now, considering the fact that you said " someone of Perfect Cell's level could wiped out the rest outside of Buu, Gohan, Goku, and Vegeta". But otherwise, I agree with the fact that many of U7's team could be handled pretty easily.

As far as we know, Piccolo got no noticeable power boost. Even during the Champa Saga Goku made no mention of Piccolo being stronger than before. We saw him react more to Gohan. The last time we saw Piccolo do anything that we can compare, he was still inferior to Perfect Cell.

You do realise that probably everything you know about everyone's power levels will change during the tournament. Goku reacted to nothing about Gohan or Piccolo. He only had a little reaction when they said they have been training.

[lunaticthegame]

Honestly, it would have been logical to bring Goten and Trunks in instead of Master Roshi and Krillin... the former could have been replaced by anyone. Even Chi Chi... or Yamcha...

WHERE IS YAMCHA?!?!?!?!?

[namekiansaiyan]

Honestly, it would have been logical to bring Goten and Trunks in instead of Master Roshi and Krillin... the former could have been replaced by anyone. Even Chi Chi... or Yamcha...

WHERE IS YAMCHA?!?!?!?!?

Yamcha is one character who deserves a place.

[HeroR]

You do realise that probably everything you know about everyone's power levels will change during the tournament. Goku reacted to nothing about Gohan or Piccolo. He only had a little reaction when they said they have been training.

Rewatched Episode 30. When Goku scanned Gohan after he wanted to fight in the tournament, Goku looked shock and then happy as a clam. Piccolo….'Damn, can't get Gohan, so I have to take you'.

Still doesn't change what I said either. Enemies who are only as strong as Goku and Vegeta's base form would murdered the entire U7 team unless they really shape up.

[Ki Breaker]

You do realise that probably everything you know about everyone's power levels will change during the tournament. Goku reacted to nothing about Gohan or Piccolo. He only had a little reaction when they said they have been training.

Rewatched Episode 30. When Goku scanned Gohan after he wanted to fight in the tournament, Goku looked shock and then happy as a clam. Piccolo….'Damn, can't get Gohan, so I have to take you'.

Still doesn't change what I said either. Enemies who are only as strong as Goku and Vegeta's base form would murdered the entire U7 team unless they really shape up.

If toriyama really dosen't have any plans to have them train yet he decided to have them compete in such a tournament, I want to know how he is thinking of pulling that off, goku as of now can scream every team to oblivion which krillin will struggle with, no real tension unless they match somewhat in power

[Saturnine]

Keep in mind that these guys are still probably more powerful than 2nd form Freeza, or even above that. Weak? Yes, but only relatively. They could solo 99,9% of the universe.

Not sure about Roshi of course.

[HeroR]

If toriyama really dosen't have any plans to have them train yet he decided to have them compete in such a tournament, I want to know how he is thinking of pulling that off, goku as of now can scream every team to oblivion which krillin will struggle with, no real tension unless they match somewhat in power

It's hard to say knowing how trollish Toriayam is. He gave neither Buu or Piccolo a power jump for the Champa Saga since no one said a thing about Piccolo's strength going up even when he was fighting Frost. And Buu didn't even fight.

I am not saying everyone won't get some sort of a a power-up, they had to imo. However, as things currently stand, leaving behind two of your strongest fighters for Master Roshi and Tien is baffling since both of them are currently weaker than Namek Saga Freeza who was considered kid fodder in the 2008 special and have far more room to grow since Master Roshi is past his prime and it seemed Tien peaked decades ago.

Keep in mind that these guys are still probably more powerful than 2nd form Freeza, or even above that. Weak? Yes, but only relatively. They could solo 99,9% of the universe.

Not sure about Roshi of course.

It's extremely questionable if the human cast surpassed 2nd form Freeza. Krillin's last documented power level was only 75,000 and he's the strongest of all the humans. Also, them being able to solo 99.9 of U7 doesn't mean anything when the weakest member on U6 could absorb base form Goku's attacks. All that tells us is that U7 have relatively weak fighters until Goku went Super Saiyan.

[Ki Breaker]

Keep in mind that these guys are still probably more powerful than 2nd form Freeza, or even above that. Weak? Yes, but only relatively. They could solo 99,9% of the universe.

Not sure about Roshi of course.

They can, but obviously each universe is gonna bring those 00.1℅ of fighters to fight, they are the strongest why wouldn't they..
Gotta face it, everyone is too weak to compete in this tournament where only the strongest of each universe enters..

Some form of training is required, especially since everyone has been slacking off except tien

[Saturnine]

It's extremely questionable if the human cast surpassed 2nd form Freeza. Krillin's last documented power level was only 75,000 and he's the strongest of all the humans. Also, them being able to solo 99.9 of U7 doesn't mean anything when the weakest member on U6 could absorb base form Goku's attacks. All that tells us is that U7 have relatively weak fighters until Goku went Super Saiyan.

I'm pretty sure Tien is stronger than Krillin right now. As he was for most of DB and quite a portion of Z, until Krillin got his potential unlocked. But even if Krillin remained stronger for the Androids Saga, Tien has definitely surpassed him again in the Buu saga, on account of him training all that time, while Krillin became a family guy.

[Ki Breaker]

I'm pretty sure Tien is stronger than Krillin right now.

He isn't

[namekiansaiyan]

You do realise that probably everything you know about everyone's power levels will change during the tournament. Goku reacted to nothing about Gohan or Piccolo. He only had a little reaction when they said they have been training.

Rewatched Episode 30. When Goku scanned Gohan after he wanted to fight in the tournament, Goku looked shock and then happy as a clam. Piccolo….'Damn, can't get Gohan, so I have to take you'.

Still doesn't change what I said either. Enemies who are only as strong as Goku and Vegeta's base form would murdered the entire U7 team unless they really shape up.

If toriyama really dosen't have any plans to have them train yet he decided to have them compete in such a tournament, I want to know how he is thinking of pulling that off, goku as of now can scream every team to oblivion which krillin will struggle with, no real tension unless they match somewhat in power

There are 3 possible ideas Toriyama can use:

1. They either train and get stronger
2. Every fighter has a limited amount of matches
3. Non-fighting events

[HeroR]

It's extremely questionable if the human cast surpassed 2nd form Freeza. Krillin's last documented power level was only 75,000 and he's the strongest of all the humans. Also, them being able to solo 99.9 of U7 doesn't mean anything when the weakest member on U6 could absorb base form Goku's attacks. All that tells us is that U7 have relatively weak fighters until Goku went Super Saiyan.

I'm pretty sure Tien is stronger than Krillin right now. As he was for most of DB and quite a portion of Z, until Krillin got his potential unlocked. But even if Krillin remained stronger for the Androids Saga, Tien has definitely surpassed him again in the Buu saga, on account of him training all that time, while Krillin became a family guy.

Nope. Even in BOG, it was stated on the website that Krillin was the strongest human.

[Ki Breaker]

3. Non-fighting events

Like Keijo but with males instead

[Saturnine]

It's extremely questionable if the human cast surpassed 2nd form Freeza. Krillin's last documented power level was only 75,000 and he's the strongest of all the humans. Also, them being able to solo 99.9 of U7 doesn't mean anything when the weakest member on U6 could absorb base form Goku's attacks. All that tells us is that U7 have relatively weak fighters until Goku went Super Saiyan.

I'm pretty sure Tien is stronger than Krillin right now. As he was for most of DB and quite a portion of Z, until Krillin got his potential unlocked. But even if Krillin remained stronger for the Androids Saga, Tien has definitely surpassed him again in the Buu saga, on account of him training all that time, while Krillin became a family guy.

Nope. Even in BOG, it was stated on the website that Krillin was the strongest human.

Yeah, and it was also stated that 6-10-15, but we know it's no longer true.

Not to mention many people don't count Tien as a "human". Still, since both are participating, I'm pretty sure we'll get a picture on which of the two is stronger soon enough.

[HeroR]

Yeah, and it was also stated that 6-10-15, but we know it's no longer true.

Not to mention many people don't count Tien as a "human". Still, since both are participating, I'm pretty sure we'll get a picture on which of the two is stronger soon enough.

Toriyama and others have constancy said that Krillin is the strongest human. Using the 6-10-15 scale is flawed since Toriyama was talking about one movie, where Krillin was called the strongest human since forever and nothing in Super goes against this.

Doesn't matter what people count Tien as. He is classified as a human in the series, and Krillin is called the strongest human.

[Ki Breaker]

Yeah, and it was also stated that 6-10-15, but we know it's no longer true.

It's meaning remains, goku is not suddenly stronger than whis just because some numbers aren't Valid anymore

[Saturnine]

Yeah, and it was also stated that 6-10-15, but we know it's no longer true.

It's meaning remains, goku is not suddenly stronger than whis just because some numbers aren't Valid anymore

Actually the opposite is true. Goku is much weaker than 6 in this setting. Even giving him 0,1 would be generous as things look now.

[Ki Breaker]

Yeah, and it was also stated that 6-10-15, but we know it's no longer true.

It's meaning remains, goku is not suddenly stronger than whis just because some numbers aren't Valid anymore

Actually the opposite is true. Goku is much weaker than 6 in this setting. Even giving him 0,1 would be generous as things look now.

How is goku being weaker than 6 opposite of him not being stronger than whis in any form of logic..

[Saturnine]

It's meaning remains, goku is not suddenly stronger than whis just because some numbers aren't Valid anymore

Actually the opposite is true. Goku is much weaker than 6 in this setting. Even giving him 0,1 would be generous as things look now.

How is goku being weaker than 6 opposite of him not being stronger than whis in any form of logic..

Because you assumed that by saying 6-10-15 is no longer true, I thought that could mean Goku is actually stronger than Whis. Whereby you felt compelled to say he wasn't. To which I said that was never what I meant, quite the opposite.

There's your logic.

[Ki Breaker]

To which I said that was never what I meant,

There you have it, tien was never stonger than krillin and isn't now either..

Dumbing the logic down, the purpose of those numbers were to let us know who was stonger than whom, which still holds true even if the numbers themselves don't..
Similarly, krillin is still stronger than tien as mentioned by the same panel, it hasn't been officially contraindicated yet