Should the Dragon Team have more internal conflicts?

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Re: Should the Dragon Team have more internal conflicts?

Post by Big Green The Yoshi » Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:03 pm

As Krillin once put it, many of the Z Fighters used to be enemies. The very fact that they all became allies with each other in the end probably makes it easy for them to get along, outside of Vegeta who is a sociopath up until he dies while Majin.

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Re: Should the Dragon Team have more internal conflicts?

Post by buutenks » Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:18 pm

Lol i doubt Goku would care about such things. He doesnt pressure people into doing things. If they disagree, hed simply do it himself. Same for Vegeta.

With one piece, luffy iirc wanted to show usopp that hes the captain and they do it his way.

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Re: Should the Dragon Team have more internal conflicts?

Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:13 pm

I believe a thread like this was made in the past and my answer stays the same:
I would personally love to see a Civil War-like scenario in Dragon Ball, but it just can't see it ever happening for three big reasons:

1) The gap in strength between Goku and Vegeta and the rest of the main cast, at this point in time, is so large, that Goku and Vegeta can't possibly be on the same team to even begin with. Because if they are, it doesn't matter how many other members of the team opposing them there are, Goku and Vegeta could physically steam-roll them with little effort.

2)The relationship between the core cast has become quite stale, bland and just really uninteresting, save perhaps Goku and Vegeta. And because of this there is no real depth in the main characters that be truly explored to create an possible tension. I mean, you can pretty much scrap any idea of Team Goku vs/ Team Vegeta right from the get-go because any bad blood they had between them pretty much died in the Majin Boo with Vegeta's character developing and accepting that Goku was strongest. Not to mention the hostility or tension within Goku and Vegeta's relationship was practically one sided. How can build the foundation of any kind of civil war or internal dispute if the drama, tension or hostility is mostly one sided? It just would work. Goku and Vegeta suddenly distrusting, hating or resenting each other would never work as far the narrative goes, because it would be so out of left field. I mean, were pretty much told that not only can Goku and Vegeta tolerant of each other but they're kinda friends. The only real contention we've seen between Goku and Vegeta has beeen that they don't like, and don't want to work together, but here's the problem: In the end, they're perfectly fine with that. This was kinda of A big missed opportunity in Resurrection F and especially in Super's retelling of the movie. You could of had Goku and Vegeta legitimately show contempt and resentment towards each other over the disagreement to work together to defeat Freeza. That could have laid the foundation for a possible Civil War-like scenario to revisit down the road later in the story. But instead, it's just blown off quickly as a joke or like two workout buddies bickering over how time each of them get to spend on the treadmill at the gym. Goku and Vegeta suddenly arguing of a possibly serious matter? Nah, they're Saiyans, and they're actually agree and are cool with each other over the matter. The End.

3) And the quite possibly the biggest reason: The Dragon Balls. Okay, lets be real, any kinda real drama that the story was ever going to have died the moment that a second set of Dragon Balls were introduced. That pretty much solidified that any kind of drama that there would be in the story would never have a lasting impact. What made Captain America: Civil War such a fantastic movie is that there were consequences for any kind of major action or moment that happened in the movie. In Dragon Ball, no such scenario is possible when they can just wish all there problems away with literally the snap of their finger. I mean, when the Bulma is giving away the Dragon Balls as a main prize for a bingo game at her freakin birthday party, I think it's safe to say that even in-universe it's acknowledged, by at least the main cast, of how easy they can collect the Dragon Balls and how much they honestly really don't find much value in them, because as I already stated they have another set of Dragon Balls, when are even more powerful, to fall back on. And with conception of Dragon Ball Super, they have three sets of magical wish granting MacGuffins at their disposal. There really are no lasting consequences in Dragon Ball.

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Re: Should the Dragon Team have more internal conflicts?

Post by FoolsGil » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:12 am

Well sure, a more mature series should. And I don't mean mature like Seinen. Bleach, One Piece, and Naruto had dealt with internal conflicts and they're as shonen as they come.

That said, I'm sort of okay where Dragonball is, and where it's going. Zamasu, for better or for worst, was unlike any other enemy in the whole series. If the series matures for internal strife, great. If it doesn't, that's fine too.

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Re: Should the Dragon Team have more internal conflicts?

Post by SaiyanZ » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:42 am

Mmmm, depends. Only if the issue is worth throwing hands. Wouldn't/shouldn't be overly sappy too. I wouldn't want a Naruto vs Sasuke or Luffy vs Usopp deal, no way.
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Re: Should the Dragon Team have more internal conflicts?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:43 pm

Nah, Dragon Ball is fine the way it is. No need for characters to be angsty and talk about their "feelings" every 2 seconds ala the emo melodrama that plagues Final Fantasy and late Naruto.

Stuff like Gohan overcoming his lack of fighting spirit to do what he feels is right, Trunks trying to earn his father's approval, the juxtaposition between Goku's Saiyan nature and kind-heart, and Vegeta learning to accept he has people to care for is good enough for me.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Should the Dragon Team have more internal conflicts?

Post by Doctor. » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:47 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:Nah, Dragon Ball is fine the way it is. No need for characters to be angsty and talk about their "feelings" every 2 seconds ala the emo melodrama that plagues Final Fantasy and late Naruto.
That's not what conflicts boil down to. I'm not saying do it the Naruto way with cheesy "U R MY FREND, SASUKE" speeches. I'm saying, for example, take advantage of the fucked up situation the group is currently in (being abused constantly by the Gods and having no power to fight back) and spark an internal conflict about who thinks the Gods should fuck off and who thinks they're helpful. That's just one thing they can do, not everything has to be based around feelings (despite Dragon Ball already going that route with Majin Vegeta).

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Re: Should the Dragon Team have more internal conflicts?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:30 pm

Doctor. wrote:
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Nah, Dragon Ball is fine the way it is. No need for characters to be angsty and talk about their "feelings" every 2 seconds ala the emo melodrama that plagues Final Fantasy and late Naruto.
That's not what conflicts boil down to. I'm not saying do it the Naruto way with cheesy "U R MY FREND, SASUKE" speeches. I'm saying, for example, take advantage of the fucked up situation the group is currently in (being abused constantly by the Gods and having no power to fight back) and spark an internal conflict about who thinks the Gods should fuck off and who thinks they're helpful. That's just one thing they can do, not everything has to be based around feelings (despite Dragon Ball already going that route with Majin Vegeta).
I know... I'm just questioning the notion that Dragon Ball has to be super srs business (which is ironic in a community that says the Cell Saga is "too serious"). Dragon Ball kept it's conflicts fairly simple and mostly grounded so that should be enough. I would agree the newer stuff could use more conflict especially considering it has much more potential than the original series and a lot of anime/manga out today but so far it's been playing things pretty damn safe. I really hope the writers step up their game for the Universal Tournament arc and remind people just why Dragon Ball is king.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Should the Dragon Team have more internal conflicts?

Post by Beyond » Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:14 pm

It's still my head cannon that Goku took what Piccolo said to him personally, and now takes potshots at him every chance he gets.

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Re: Should the Dragon Team have more internal conflicts?

Post by emperior » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:14 am

Beyond wrote:It's still my head cannon that Goku took what Piccolo said to him personally, and now takes potshots at him every chance he gets.
To be honest Goku is a dick to everyone.
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